The discussions about the open of rollback and patrol right are in progress at Chinese Wikipedia (zh.wikipedia.org). Some suggested that we can have two ways to grant right to the qualified users. One is auto-promote (by system), and one is by hand (by admin). That's mean two requirements are needed. The requirement for auto-promotion is higher, and if user met this requirement, he must be promoted by system. Before that, if users met another requirement, he can make an application, and admin can consider whether or not. I would like to know that, is this possible to run out practically?
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jason Wong jwongwiki@ymail.com wrote:
The discussions about the open of rollback and patrol right are in progress at Chinese Wikipedia (zh.wikipedia.org). Some suggested that we can have two ways to grant right to the qualified users. One is auto-promote (by system), and one is by hand (by admin). That's mean two requirements are needed. The requirement for auto-promotion is higher, and if user met this requirement, he must be promoted by system. Before that, if users met another requirement, he can make an application, and admin can consider whether or not. I would like to know that, is this possible to run out practically?
Yes, it is possible. The German Wikipedia is using this exact same system for allowing people to mark sighted versions.
If follow this system to grant right, is it possible to revoke the right from a user?
It is.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Jason Wong jwongwiki@ymail.com wrote:
If follow this system to grant right, is it possible to revoke the right from a user?
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Michael Rosenthal rosenthal3000@googlemail.com wrote:
It is.
Even the automatically-granted version? How does that work?
2009/2/19 Aryeh Gregor Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Michael Rosenthal rosenthal3000@googlemail.com wrote:
It is.
Even the automatically-granted version? How does that work?
There may be an easy way, but I can see a rather complicated way: You create a dummy usergroup which you add people to when you want to remove their autopromoted rights and then include "NOT a member of the dummy group" as a condition for autopromotion.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
There may be an easy way, but I can see a rather complicated way: You create a dummy usergroup which you add people to when you want to remove their autopromoted rights and then include "NOT a member of the dummy group" as a condition for autopromotion.
Yeah, I thought of that too, but that's unnecessarily complicated UI. Perhaps that logic could be hidden in the software, and Special:UserRights could just display "remove this group" like usual.
2009/2/19 Aryeh Gregor Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
There may be an easy way, but I can see a rather complicated way: You create a dummy usergroup which you add people to when you want to remove their autopromoted rights and then include "NOT a member of the dummy group" as a condition for autopromotion.
Yeah, I thought of that too, but that's unnecessarily complicated UI. Perhaps that logic could be hidden in the software, and Special:UserRights could just display "remove this group" like usual.
That should be possible. It's beyond me, though, I'm afraid.
Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/2/19 Aryeh Gregor:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
There may be an easy way, but I can see a rather complicated way: You create a dummy usergroup which you add people to when you want to remove their autopromoted rights and then include "NOT a member of the dummy group" as a condition for autopromotion.
Yeah, I thought of that too, but that's unnecessarily complicated UI. Perhaps that logic could be hidden in the software, and Special:UserRights could just display "remove this group" like usual.
That should be possible. It's beyond me, though, I'm afraid.
Wait!! Do you mean Autopromoted groups are recalculated on each request?
If the above works, that would be a way to fix the long-awaited bug 4995 (block from uploading). Remove upload from user group and autopromote giving upload right to any user not on the upload-blocked group.
*Ok, not too elegant, but after two years and having used worse quirks, a solution without needing painful schema changes (not even code!) would be great.
2009/2/19 Platonides Platonides@gmail.com:
Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/2/19 Aryeh Gregor:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
There may be an easy way, but I can see a rather complicated way: You create a dummy usergroup which you add people to when you want to remove their autopromoted rights and then include "NOT a member of the dummy group" as a condition for autopromotion.
Yeah, I thought of that too, but that's unnecessarily complicated UI. Perhaps that logic could be hidden in the software, and Special:UserRights could just display "remove this group" like usual.
That should be possible. It's beyond me, though, I'm afraid.
Wait!! Do you mean Autopromoted groups are recalculated on each request?
I seem to remember reading that somewhere. I could be wrong...
If the above works, that would be a way to fix the long-awaited bug 4995 (block from uploading). Remove upload from user group and autopromote giving upload right to any user not on the upload-blocked group.
*Ok, not too elegant, but after two years and having used worse quirks, a solution without needing painful schema changes (not even code!) would be great.
Yeah, that should do it.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
Wait!! Do you mean Autopromoted groups are recalculated on each request?
Yes, that's the point.
If the above works, that would be a way to fix the long-awaited bug 4995 (block from uploading). Remove upload from user group and autopromote giving upload right to any user not on the upload-blocked group.
However, I don't see a way to have "autopromote if not in group X" work right now. It seems like the only conditions are emailconfirmed, edit count, and age.
2009/2/19 Aryeh Gregor Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
Wait!! Do you mean Autopromoted groups are recalculated on each request?
Yes, that's the point.
If the above works, that would be a way to fix the long-awaited bug 4995 (block from uploading). Remove upload from user group and autopromote giving upload right to any user not on the upload-blocked group.
However, I don't see a way to have "autopromote if not in group X" work right now. It seems like the only conditions are emailconfirmed, edit count, and age.
There is an INGROUPS condition too. Check out http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAutopromote
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
There is an INGROUPS condition too. Check out http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgAutopromote
I checked the DefaultSettings.php documentation instead, which is *supposed* to always be up-to-date. I'll put a warning there that it's wrong and go stab some people who didn't update it.
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