The messing about with archives and the INCREDIBLY AWFUL htdig search are causing problems ...
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Birgitte SB birgitte_sb@yahoo.com Date: 19-Jan-2007 14:46 Subject: [Foundation-l] Mail archives To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
I wanted to look up the detailed report that was posted to the list after the Frankfurt retreat. I have entually found it but in the process had some troubles because not realizing that Anthere has been using two different email addresses caused me to miss seeing it when searching by "Author". If any of you are familiar with using our archives, you realize how frustrating it can be to find (or not find) a message you half remember.
The thing that I realized while looking for this information is that everyone is relying much to heavily on these archives. I knew that that all the links from the past list summaries had been scrambled. I went to the WMF website hoping to find the information there after my failure in the archives. I found that the WMF website also uses links to the archives. [1] All of these links have been scrambled in the past week and the archive is gernerally not something that can be expected to be stable.
I ask you to consider making an effort to mirror any offcial messages or detailed reports either on the WMF or Meta instead of simply repairing the existing links. These messages become rather hard to find once the links go bad. If this is decided to be a bad idea for some reason; then please consider using a standardized subject for such messages. Everyone should think twice about linking to the archive in general. If you expect people to be reading what write in six months, I would encourage you to quote the message instead of linking.
Birgitte SB
[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home (See: "Wikimedia Board reorganization" read more link)
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Timwi wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
The messing about with archives and the INCREDIBLY AWFUL htdig search are causing problems ...
Yeah, I still don't get why you guys are blocking Google from indexing it.
Maybe you should see a doctor about your memory problem? :)
- -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com / brion @ wikimedia.org)
Brion Vibber wrote:
Timwi wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
The messing about with archives and the INCREDIBLY AWFUL htdig search are causing problems ...
Yeah, I still don't get why you guys are blocking Google from indexing it.
Maybe you should see a doctor about your memory problem? :)
There is no problem with my memory. You just haven't provided any good reason for it. All you said is that you're tired of complaints from stupid people who post personal information. That is not a good reason at all to remove the most useful functionality for all the hundreds of people who would use it. I keep saying that and you keep ignoring me.
Timwi
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Timwi wrote:
Brion Vibber wrote:
Timwi wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
The messing about with archives and the INCREDIBLY AWFUL htdig search are causing problems ...
Yeah, I still don't get why you guys are blocking Google from indexing it.
Maybe you should see a doctor about your memory problem? :)
There is no problem with my memory. You just haven't provided any good reason for it. All you said is that you're tired of complaints from stupid people who post personal information. That is not a good reason at all to remove the most useful functionality for all the hundreds of people who would use it. I keep saying that and you keep ignoring me.
Ahhhh, so providing a reason you disagree with is the same as not providing a reason. I see.
- -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com / brion @ wikimedia.org)
Brion Vibber wrote:
Ahhhh, so providing a reason you disagree with is the same as not providing a reason. I see.
"Hey, why did you hit me on the head with this hammer?" - "Because you're stupid." - "That's not a good reason to hit someone with a hammer!" - "Ah, so providing a reason you disagree with is the same as not providing a reason. I see."
I agree with his reason..
Why don't you try another approach and find us a better search engine? You can dl the archives for testing.
If you do this everyone will be happy.
On 2/8/07, Timwi timwi@gmx.net wrote:
Brion Vibber wrote:
Timwi wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
The messing about with archives and the INCREDIBLY AWFUL htdig search are causing problems ...
Yeah, I still don't get why you guys are blocking Google from indexing it.
Maybe you should see a doctor about your memory problem? :)
There is no problem with my memory. You just haven't provided any good reason for it. All you said is that you're tired of complaints from stupid people who post personal information. That is not a good reason at all to remove the most useful functionality for all the hundreds of people who would use it. I keep saying that and you keep ignoring me.
Timwi
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David Gerard wrote:
The messing about with archives and the INCREDIBLY AWFUL htdig search are causing problems ...
I've generally found the MARC search engine to be useful. Gmane is sometimes OK as well.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ http://search.gmane.org/
-- Tim Starling
Tim Starling wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
The messing about with archives and the INCREDIBLY AWFUL htdig search are causing problems ...
I've generally found the MARC search engine to be useful. Gmane is sometimes OK as well.
But Google is obviously better...
Timwi wrote:
Tim Starling wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
The messing about with archives and the INCREDIBLY AWFUL htdig search are causing problems ...
I've generally found the MARC search engine to be useful. Gmane is sometimes OK as well.
But Google is obviously better...
Not in my experience. Both MARC and Gmane allow you to narrow down your search by list, author and date, which gives them an advantage over a simple keyword search in certain situations. Even when Google was indexing the lists, I found it to be pretty poor by comparison.
-- Tim Starling
On 09/02/07, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
Not in my experience. Both MARC and Gmane allow you to narrow down your search by list, author and date, which gives them an advantage over a simple keyword search in certain situations. Even when Google was indexing the lists, I found it to be pretty poor by comparison.
Would links to MARC and Gmane on the archive pages be a good idea?
(Are the MARC copies of the lists archived on Google?)
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