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Amir E. Aharoni

14 Sep 2012 14 Sep '12

3:34 p.m.

Hi, Does Article Feedback v4, the one with the stars, have a future? Or is Article Feedback v5 the only tool in the family for which there are plans for Wikimedia-wide installation? It would be nice to have clarity about it. If AFT v4 doesn't have a future, then why is it still enabled on a lot of pages in the English Wikipedia, or installed there at all, for that matter? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Matthew Bowker

14 Sep 14 Sep

4:14 p.m.

Amir, The Article Feedback version 4 is going to be phased out gradually. AFT5 is expected to be site-wide in November. For context, please see [1]. Matthew Bowker http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matthewrbowker [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AFT5 On Sep 14, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

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Amir E. Aharoni

4:18 p.m.

That's more or less what I know. I just wonder why is this gradual retirement so slow. -- Amir 2012/9/14 Matthew Bowker <matthewrbowker.wiki(a)me.com>om>:

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Matthias Mullie

5:05 p.m.

Hi, Technical issues are the reason for its slow ramp-up: the underlying architecture does not yet allow us to safely deploy to 100% of enwiki and we're currently working on resolving that. Matthias On 14 Sep 2012, at 09:18, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

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That's more or less what I know. I just wonder why is this gradual retirement so slow. -- Amir 2012/9/14 Matthew Bowker <matthewrbowker.wiki(a)me.com>om>:

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David Gerard

5:14 p.m.

On 14 September 2012 18:05, Matthias Mullie <mmullie(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Technical issues are the reason for its slow ramp-up: the underlying architecture does not yet allow us to safely deploy to 100% of enwiki and we're currently working on resolving that.

So is the AFTv4 data doing anything or being used for anything? - d.

Helder .

6:22 p.m.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:14 PM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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So is the AFTv4 data doing anything or being used for anything?

I think that is unlikely, because the dashboard was never improved: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30334 So normal users do not have much access to the data. Indeed, on smaller wikis the dashboard is just empty most of the time: https://pt.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:ArticleFeedback https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ArticleFeedback https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=30666505 On the other hand, enwiki at least has some extra tools at its disposal: http://toolserver.org/~dartar/aft/ http://toolserver.org/~dartar/aft2/?p=Justin+Bieber I hope after the change to AFT5 the data from AFT4 will be kept publicly accessible for those who might be interested on it, and not something like the change from ReaderFeedback to AFT on ptwikibooks: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29983#c2 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30427 Best regards, Helder

MZMcBride

15 Sep 15 Sep

3:59 a.m.

David Gerard wrote:

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On 14 September 2012 18:05, Matthias Mullie <mmullie(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Technical issues are the reason for its slow ramp-up: the underlying architecture does not yet allow us to safely deploy to 100% of enwiki and we're currently working on resolving that.

So is the AFTv4 data doing anything or being used for anything?

Err, is the AFTv5 data doing anything or being used for anything? When I skim <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/Barack_Obama>, the signal-to-noise ratio is so imbalanced that the tool is useless. This "comments section" of the site has quickly become filled with gibberish and a fair number of biographies of living persons violations. It hasn't yet reached the awfulness of a YouTube comments section, but it's certainly on its way. I've no idea why resources are being invested in this way. MZMcBride

Yury Katkov

9:41 a.m.

The current development of Article Feedback is very strange: I'm from the croudsourcing company and I can tell that the user comments are useless most of the time since there are very little tools to analyze them (except maybe for some topics in English language). Maybe the goal of the new incarnation of AF is not to give the feedback but to encourage people to write anything on Wikipedia and show the authors of the page that somebody reads their articles thus motivating them? ----- Yury Katkov On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:59 AM, MZMcBride <z(a)mzmcbride.com> wrote:

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David Gerard wrote:

On 14 September 2012 18:05, Matthias Mullie <mmullie(a)wikimedia.org>

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> Technical issues are the reason for its slow ramp-up: the underlying > architecture does not yet allow us to safely deploy to 100% of enwiki

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we're currently working on resolving that.

So is the AFTv4 data doing anything or being used for anything?

Err, is the AFTv5 data doing anything or being used for anything? When I skim <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/Barack_Obama

the signal-to-noise ratio is so imbalanced that the tool is useless. This "comments section" of the site has quickly become filled with gibberish and a fair number of biographies of living persons violations. It hasn't yet reached the awfulness of a YouTube comments section, but it's certainly on its way. I've no idea why resources are being invested in this way. MZMcBride _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Amir E. Aharoni

14 Sep 14 Sep

5:54 p.m.

Slow ramp-up of AFTv5 is fine. I am curious about the slow retirement of AFTv4. בתאריך 14 בספט 2012 10:06, מאת "Matthias Mullie" <mmullie(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:

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That's more or less what I know. I just wonder why is this gradual retirement so slow. -- Amir 2012/9/14 Matthew Bowker <matthewrbowker.wiki(a)me.com>om>: > Amir, > > The Article Feedback version 4 is going to be phased out gradually.

AFT5 is expected to be site-wide in November. For context, please see [1].

> > Matthew Bowker > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matthewrbowker > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AFT5 > > > On Sep 14, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Amir E. Aharoni <

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Amir E. Aharoni
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