On 29/11/06, MacGyverMagic/Mgm macgyvermagic@gmail.com wrote:
We should probably still kill a lot of unsourced edits. Such a preload template is already in use at AFC and it is routinely ignored, but better to try and convince some people to follow it. It didn't solve the problem, but it cut back on problem cases slightly.
Yeah. The nice thing about a preload template is that it can guide new editors without being a straightjacket on experienced ones - it's just text in the edit box, after all.
Something like (off the top of my head):
'''{{PAGENAME}}''' is ... [one-sentence definition]. It is ...
==More detail==
[Put more detail about important aspects of {{PAGENAME}} here. Use ==section-name== around new sections.]
==References==
[List the sources you used in writing this article]
==External links==
[List the most important couple of external webpages on the subject.]
This shows people how to give us the useful content for a good stub article without having to know all about editing wikitext and lovely formatting.
wikitech-l - is it possible yet to do a preload when someone hits 'edit' on a red link? If so, what do we need for this to be switched on for en:wp? It is likely time for such a thing.
- d.
On 30/11/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
wikitech-l - is it possible yet to do a preload when someone hits 'edit' on a red link? If so, what do we need for this to be switched on for en:wp? It is likely time for such a thing.
It's possible with the InputBox extension, although I think the preload text is specified in the parameters to the tag itself. There's also the Preloader extension, which allows customisable stuff per-namespace; the preload text is pulled out of the MediaWiki namespace, as I recall.
Rob Church
On Thu, 2006-30-11 at 01:30 +0000, Rob Church wrote:
On 30/11/06, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
wikitech-l - is it possible yet to do a preload when someone hits 'edit' on a red link? If so, what do we need for this to be switched on for en:wp? It is likely time for such a thing.
It's possible with the InputBox extension, although I think the preload text is specified in the parameters to the tag itself. There's also the Preloader extension, which allows customisable stuff per-namespace; the preload text is pulled out of the MediaWiki namespace, as I recall.
We use a little trick with MediaWiki:Newarticletext on Wikitravel to make a little menu of preload options:
http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=A_page_that_does_not_exist&...
It's not beautiful, but it does the job pretty darn well, and most of our new articles have the right template selected now.
~Evan
On 11/30/06, Evan Prodromou evan@prodromou.name wrote:
We use a little trick with MediaWiki:Newarticletext on Wikitravel to make a little menu of preload options:
http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=A_page_that_does_not_exist&...
It's not beautiful, but it does the job pretty darn well, and most of our new articles have the right template selected now.
It's actually pretty elegant, but I can't see it working well for something as diverse as Wikipedia. Travel is ultimately a pretty constrained topic. Wikipedia isn't...the structure of articles tends to be dependent on the theme more than on the category. For certain very specific classes of articles (hurricanes, members of certain groups like WWF wrestlers...) templates effectively do exist (dictated by WikiProjects) but it would be a pretty esoteric list of templates to choose from. The idea is good, but it would need a slightly different implementation...
steve
On 11/30/06, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
On 11/30/06, Evan Prodromou evan@prodromou.name wrote:
We use a little trick with MediaWiki:Newarticletext on Wikitravel to make a little menu of preload options:
http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=A_page_that_does_not_exist&...
It's not beautiful, but it does the job pretty darn well, and most of our new articles have the right template selected now.
It's actually pretty elegant, but I can't see it working well for something as diverse as Wikipedia. Travel is ultimately a pretty constrained topic. Wikipedia isn't...the structure of articles tends to be dependent on the theme more than on the category. For certain very specific classes of articles (hurricanes, members of certain groups like WWF wrestlers...) templates effectively do exist (dictated by WikiProjects) but it would be a pretty esoteric list of templates to choose from. The idea is good, but it would need a slightly different implementation...
I have * Templator [1] to pre-fill templates (currently in German only) * PrepBio [2] to generate whole biography stub pages * A coordinate template generator [3] * A wikitext book generator from ISBN [4] * A reference generator [5]
These could be combined into a single package to ease article creation.
Magnus
[1] http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/templator.php [2] http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/prepbio.php [3] http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/coord_gen.php [4] http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/isbn2wiki.php [5] http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/makeref.php
On 12/1/06, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
I have
- Templator [1] to pre-fill templates (currently in German only)
- PrepBio [2] to generate whole biography stub pages
- A coordinate template generator [3]
- A wikitext book generator from ISBN [4]
- A reference generator [5]
These could be combined into a single package to ease article creation.
Some of them should be converted to javascript and built into monobook.css.
Steve
.js even.
Steve
On 12/2/06, Steve Bennett stevagewp@gmail.com wrote:
On 12/1/06, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
I have
- Templator [1] to pre-fill templates (currently in German only)
- PrepBio [2] to generate whole biography stub pages
- A coordinate template generator [3]
- A wikitext book generator from ISBN [4]
- A reference generator [5]
These could be combined into a single package to ease article creation.
Some of them should be converted to javascript and built into monobook.css.
Steve
Wiktionary might be relevant too. They offer some very specific templates when your search fails:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=word+that+doesn%27t+exis...
cheers, Brianna user:pfctdayelise
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