Cormac:
Hi, I think the focus (or focii) of the group is yet to be decided. As it says on the page, there will probably be various focus groups working on their points of interest and then coming together at some point in time.
That's right. Research is too large and diverse a field to be united in a single focus group. On the other hand, all members of the Team should have at least a rough idea of the ongoing activities, and it should be possible to focus as many interested people as possible on a single high priority project that we choose. ("Let's get that single login specification ready by July.")
In the first meeting, we can try to meet both goals by 1. having a general discussion about focus, priorities, etc. 2. splitting into breakaway groups for different topics (could be just two broad ones for now, e.g. "tech" and "sociology") 3. rejoining for synthesis and definition of deliverables.
It goes without saying that nobody will have to sit through all three stages if they're not interested in a particular one.
If this works, we can adopt it as a general principle. I'd like this effort to be as large and as open as possible: a massive, collaborative and well-coordinated research community. The very positive reaction to my initial invitations is a good sign that this could work.
The topics for which we can form groups will depend on the interests of the people participating in any given meeting, so if you want a specific topic to be on the agenda, I suggest you take it upon yourself to make sure that the right people will be present. Invite them to the team. :-)
Someone asked on Meta whether we have a mailing list. I suggest using wikitech-l for now, perhaps with "Research:" in the subject line. If that turns out to cause too much traffic, we'll create our own list.
Again, anyone who is interested in joining this effort or who wants to know more about it should take a look at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research_Team
We're also trying to sort out the date for the first meeting, so if you haven't already, please make an X in the date matrix for your preferred meeting times. (I'll send out direct emails to all members about this as well.)
Best,
Erik
Hello,
I'd like to know more about specifics of the Wikimedia Research "exclusion procedure" as that doesn't seem to have the characteristic open definitiveness I would expect from this group.
I haven't contributed anything to the wikipedia code base, but I am working on alternative dynamic interfaces for wikipedia. I think it would be sensible to coordinate with the formative research team. I created a brand new wikipedia user account 'Dppl' (yes, indeed, I have no editor identity) and tried to join but seem to be in exclusion land.
Here are some of the wikipedia research topics I'm interested in and have done a little R&D on already:
1. Hallways 1. Integrate dynamic menuing system, called Hallways, as a skin. 2. Inferential menu tree options using centroid clustering of choices across users. CHEAPO MOCKUP (in development): http://www.bostoncoop.net/~tpryor/wiki/hallways_related_files/hllwys.php 2. Wikipedia Suggest 1. Similar UI to Google Suggest using the power of memcache. CHEAPO MOCKUP (in development): http://www.bostoncoop.net/~tpryor/wikisug/wikisug.html 3. "StoryMap" 1. Nodal person and real time placecoding for nodal storytelling. 1. Orthomap, street address photos, navigation, phone, audiotagging, (multi-interface; content delivery over http) 2. Examples, compelling web interface, fun to use on the street. MOCKUP REQUIRES MODIFICATION. 4. Wikiself 1. Autobiographical mind mapping (similar/related to blogging using mediawiki - I simply think this could be an interesting research area and would like to discuss possibilities, existing examples, etc.)
5. "Wikipictionary" -- Icons-for-word-meanings inline transclusion 1. Collaborative creation of icon/image/animation for every meaning of every word. 2. The ability to hover over any word in a body of text and see the representative permutation of definition's representative image flip up for translanguage conceptual recognition... which I believe would/will also helpful in learning a language. SORRY, NO MOCKUP.
I spoke about a couple of these potential projects (Storymap and Wikipictionary) when Jimmy Wales spoke at Harvard some weeks ago. There seemed to be some interest. I hope to be able to work the Wikimedia Research Team... otherwise I suppose I will be a renegade by default. Regardless, I'd appreciate a response.
Thanks, Tony Pryor
Someone asked on Meta whether we have a mailing list. I suggest using wikitech-l for now, perhaps with "Research:" in the subject line. If that turns out to cause too much traffic, we'll create our own list.
Again, anyone who is interested in joining this effort or who wants to know more about it should take a look at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research_Team
We're also trying to sort out the date for the first meeting, so if you haven't already, please make an X in the date matrix for your preferred meeting times. (I'll send out direct emails to all members about this as well.)
Best,
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tpryor@media.mit.edu a écrit:
Hello,
I'd like to know more about specifics of the Wikimedia Research "exclusion procedure" as that doesn't seem to have the characteristic open definitiveness I would expect from this group.
I haven't contributed anything to the wikipedia code base, but I am working on alternative dynamic interfaces for wikipedia. I think it would be sensible to coordinate with the formative research team. I created a brand new wikipedia user account 'Dppl' (yes, indeed, I have no editor identity) and tried to join but seem to be in exclusion land.
Here are some of the wikipedia research topics I'm interested in and have done a little R&D on already:
- Hallways
- Integrate dynamic menuing system, called Hallways, as a skin.
- Inferential menu tree options using centroid clustering of
choices across users. CHEAPO MOCKUP (in development): http://www.bostoncoop.net/~tpryor/wiki/hallways_related_files/hllwys.php 2. Wikipedia Suggest 1. Similar UI to Google Suggest using the power of memcache. CHEAPO MOCKUP (in development): http://www.bostoncoop.net/~tpryor/wikisug/wikisug.html 3. "StoryMap" 1. Nodal person and real time placecoding for nodal storytelling. 1. Orthomap, street address photos, navigation, phone, audiotagging, (multi-interface; content delivery over http) 2. Examples, compelling web interface, fun to use on the street. MOCKUP REQUIRES MODIFICATION. 4. Wikiself 1. Autobiographical mind mapping (similar/related to blogging using mediawiki - I simply think this could be an interesting research area and would like to discuss possibilities, existing examples, etc.)
- "Wikipictionary" -- Icons-for-word-meanings inline transclusion
- Collaborative creation of icon/image/animation for every
meaning of every word. 2. The ability to hover over any word in a body of text and see the representative permutation of definition's representative image flip up for translanguage conceptual recognition... which I believe would/will also helpful in learning a language. SORRY, NO MOCKUP.
I spoke about a couple of these potential projects (Storymap and Wikipictionary) when Jimmy Wales spoke at Harvard some weeks ago. There seemed to be some interest. I hope to be able to work the Wikimedia Research Team... otherwise I suppose I will be a renegade by default. Regardless, I'd appreciate a response.
Thanks, Tony Pryor
Hello
I do not consider someone participating to our projects, and not belonging to the Research Team, should ever feel or made him felt he is a renegade. You are free and welcome to help, within or outside the Research Team.
This is very essential point.
Anthere
Anthere (anthere9@yahoo.com) [050529 04:02]:
I do not consider someone participating to our projects, and not belonging to the Research Team, should ever feel or made him felt he is a renegade. You are free and welcome to help, within or outside the Research Team. This is very essential point.
Ah, yep. Building a cathedral in this bazaar is not likely to work too well.
- d.
David Gerard a écrit:
Anthere (anthere9@yahoo.com) [050529 04:02]:
I do not consider someone participating to our projects, and not belonging to the Research Team, should ever feel or made him felt he is a renegade. You are free and welcome to help, within or outside the Research Team. This is very essential point.
Ah, yep. Building a cathedral in this bazaar is not likely to work too well.
- d.
It would be a serious mistep to suddently become fully organised, on schedule and entirely reliable ;-)
Ant
Dppl-
I created a brand new wikipedia user account 'Dppl' (yes, indeed, I have no editor identity) and tried to join but seem to be in exclusion land.
There seems to be some confusion here - anyone can add themselves directly to the members list. I'll explain in private.
Anthere: Yes, joining the WRT is of course not a condition for anything.
Best,
Erik
On 5/28/05, Erik Moeller erik_moeller@gmx.de wrote:
Anthere: Yes, joining the WRT is of course not a condition for anything.
Nor is it an exclusive club of developers, 'old-timers', academics etc...
Cormac
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