On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
In the next RFC meeting we would like to discuss the following RFC:
- Text extraction
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Text_extraction
The meeting will be on the IRC channel #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.org at the following time:
- UTC: Wednesday 21:00
- US PST: Wednesday 13:00
- Europe CET: Wednesday 22:00
- Australia AEDT: Thursday 08:00
Please note that the time has changed. It is an hour earlier so that it will be easier for people in Europe to attend.
We (collectively) need to get a lot better about not merely signaling what is coming up, but what the results of these decisions are. If you look here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_meetings
...you could be forgiven for thinking the RFC meetings are something we do anymore. Basically, you have to be subscribed to this mailing list, and then, if you miss the time, fish through the logs here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2014/
...and hope that some glitch hasn't wiped out the logs, since I don't think there are any service level expectations for those logs.
I send this mail not to beat up on the Architecture Committee, but in the hopes that we can find some wikignome volunteers to help out. To the extent that it's not realistic to duplicate mailing list announcements to mediawiki.org, we should probably just say "join wikitech-l to receive announcements on meeting timing", and generally, if we need to teach people how to fish rather than serving them beautifully-plated caviar, let's actually say we're doing that rather than setting up the expectation that they'll be able to wait for someone to post something on the wiki.
Anyone willing to chip in?
Rob
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Rob Lanphier robla@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
In the next RFC meeting we would like to discuss the following RFC:
- Text extraction
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Text_extraction
The meeting will be on the IRC channel #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.org at the following time:
- UTC: Wednesday 21:00
- US PST: Wednesday 13:00
- Europe CET: Wednesday 22:00
- Australia AEDT: Thursday 08:00
Please note that the time has changed. It is an hour earlier so that it will be easier for people in Europe to attend.
We (collectively) need to get a lot better about not merely signaling what is coming up, but what the results of these decisions are. If you look here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_meetings
...you could be forgiven for thinking the RFC meetings are something we do anymore. Basically, you have to be subscribed to this mailing list, and then, if you miss the time, fish through the logs here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2014/
...and hope that some glitch hasn't wiped out the logs, since I don't think there are any service level expectations for those logs.
I send this mail not to beat up on the Architecture Committee, but in the hopes that we can find some wikignome volunteers to help out. To the extent that it's not realistic to duplicate mailing list announcements to mediawiki.org, we should probably just say "join wikitech-l to receive announcements on meeting timing", and generally, if we need to teach people how to fish rather than serving them beautifully-plated caviar, let's actually say we're doing that rather than setting up the expectation that they'll be able to wait for someone to post something on the wiki.
Anyone willing to chip in?
Rob
See a few more comments/explanations/questions at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T1107 ("Document on-wiki the Architecture RfC meetings from July onwards") from a few weeks ago.
I have been creating tasks in Phabricator for the RfCs announced for a future meeting, and updating them posting the logs and any resolution.
For instance, just updated:
RfC: Text extraction https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T1319
For the rest of open RfCs with Phabricator tasks, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mw-rfcs/ (a project that you can watch)
Not perfect either, but better than it was a few weeks go. Also, Tim just started creating and handling tasks there as well.
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) < nwilson@wikimedia.org> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Rob Lanphier robla@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
In the next RFC meeting we would like to discuss the following RFC:
- Text extraction
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Text_extraction
The meeting will be on the IRC channel #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.org at the following time:
- UTC: Wednesday 21:00
- US PST: Wednesday 13:00
- Europe CET: Wednesday 22:00
- Australia AEDT: Thursday 08:00
Please note that the time has changed. It is an hour earlier so that it will be easier for people in Europe to attend.
We (collectively) need to get a lot better about not merely signaling what is coming up, but what the results of these decisions are. If you look here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_meetings
...you could be forgiven for thinking the RFC meetings are something we do anymore. Basically, you have to be subscribed to this mailing list, and then, if you miss the time, fish through the logs here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2014/
...and hope that some glitch hasn't wiped out the logs, since I don't think there are any service level expectations for those logs.
I send this mail not to beat up on the Architecture Committee, but in the hopes that we can find some wikignome volunteers to help out. To the extent that it's not realistic to duplicate mailing list announcements to mediawiki.org, we should probably just say "join wikitech-l to receive announcements on meeting timing", and generally, if we need to teach people how to fish rather than serving them beautifully-plated caviar, let's actually say we're doing that rather than setting up the expectation that they'll be able to wait for someone to post something on the wiki.
Anyone willing to chip in?
Rob
See a few more comments/explanations/questions at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T1107 ("Document on-wiki the Architecture RfC meetings from July onwards") from a few weeks ago. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Rob Lanphier robla@wikimedia.org wrote:
We (collectively) need to get a lot better about not merely signaling what is coming up, but what the results of these decisions are. If you look here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_meetings
...you could be forgiven for thinking the RFC meetings are [not] something we do anymore. Basically, you have to be subscribed to this mailing list, and then, if you miss the time, fish through the logs here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2014/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold :-) Collective responsibility requires collective action.
The logs definitely should end up on mediawiki.org; I strongly agree that relying on tools.wmflabs.org is a bad idea. It looks like MeetBot is already generating wiki output, so having a bot post to the wiki would probably be a small task. I'd suggest filing a task.
For a record of meetings, it looks like we already have a decent on-wiki index of past meetings and we can always iteratively improve that. No big deal. (This is another area where MeetBot might be able to help.)
In addition to needing to be subscribed to this list in order to receive announcements about upcoming meetings, you also have to remember to attend the meeting during the day and you have to do so using IRC. I find setting an alarm on my phone and using webchat.freenode.net mitigate these obstacles well enough for me. Is it perfect? No, but c'est la vie.
MZMcBride
What channel are the meetings held in?
On Thursday, November 20, 2014, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Rob Lanphier <robla@wikimedia.org javascript:;> wrote:
We (collectively) need to get a lot better about not merely signaling what is coming up, but what the results of these decisions are. If you look here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_meetings
...you could be forgiven for thinking the RFC meetings are [not] something we do anymore. Basically, you have to be subscribed to this mailing list, and then, if you miss the time, fish through the logs here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2014/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold :-) Collective responsibility requires collective action.
The logs definitely should end up on mediawiki.org; I strongly agree that relying on tools.wmflabs.org is a bad idea. It looks like MeetBot is already generating wiki output, so having a bot post to the wiki would probably be a small task. I'd suggest filing a task.
For a record of meetings, it looks like we already have a decent on-wiki index of past meetings and we can always iteratively improve that. No big deal. (This is another area where MeetBot might be able to help.)
In addition to needing to be subscribed to this list in order to receive announcements about upcoming meetings, you also have to remember to attend the meeting during the day and you have to do so using IRC. I find setting an alarm on my phone and using webchat.freenode.net mitigate these obstacles well enough for me. Is it perfect? No, but c'est la vie.
MZMcBride
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-November/079285.html
The meeting will be on the IRC channel #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.org [...]
On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, at 09:53, John wrote:
What channel are the meetings held in?
On Thursday, November 20, 2014, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Rob Lanphier <robla@wikimedia.org javascript:;> wrote:
We (collectively) need to get a lot better about not merely signaling what is coming up, but what the results of these decisions are. If you look here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_meetings
...you could be forgiven for thinking the RFC meetings are [not] something we do anymore. Basically, you have to be subscribed to this mailing list, and then, if you miss the time, fish through the logs here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2014/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold :-) Collective responsibility requires collective action.
The logs definitely should end up on mediawiki.org; I strongly agree that relying on tools.wmflabs.org is a bad idea. It looks like MeetBot is already generating wiki output, so having a bot post to the wiki would probably be a small task. I'd suggest filing a task.
For a record of meetings, it looks like we already have a decent on-wiki index of past meetings and we can always iteratively improve that. No big deal. (This is another area where MeetBot might be able to help.)
In addition to needing to be subscribed to this list in order to receive announcements about upcoming meetings, you also have to remember to attend the meeting during the day and you have to do so using IRC. I find setting an alarm on my phone and using webchat.freenode.net mitigate these obstacles well enough for me. Is it perfect? No, but c'est la vie.
MZMcBride
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Le 20/11/2014 19:57, Rob Lanphier a écrit :
...you could be forgiven for thinking the RFC meetings are something we do anymore. Basically, you have to be subscribed to this mailing list, and then, if you miss the time, fish through the logs here: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2014/
Since we are using meetbot, I guess at the end of the meeting the meeting leader can:
* copy paste the .wiki file generated by meetbot on the wiki * reply to the announcement email with: - a short summary of the session - link to the new wiki page - the meetboot html summary and log pages
Example: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-November/002117.ht...
That will be a good improvement.
I would love wikignomes to automate the process of uploading the .wiki page on the wiki and updating the summary page on [[RFC]].
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