Erik Moeller wrote:

Thanks for all _your_ work seeing this through the finish line as well, Kunal. This is a great first step towards better user profile support, and brings all Wikimedia wikis closer together.

Absolutely. I'm so proud of the work Legoktm has done and I'm very grateful that he has chosen to devote his time and talents to improving Wikimedia. I also think there's a whole lot to be learned from the smoothness and near banality of these feature deployments. They're a showcase of how all deployments should ideally be, in my opinion.

Petr Bena wrote:

Now maybe create some user friendly documentation less technical than what is on extension-desc which tell users how to use this?

We have https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_user_pages for Wikimedia wikis. Patches welcome. ;-) There has also been some great discussion recently on the Wikimedia Forum about global user pages (cf. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum and https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=11317230), which includes trying to figure out where and how to better document this new feature.

MZMcBride

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:22 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:

Nice one!

Will anyone be porting all the Babel templates? That's a seriously useful thing that should go there, and they aren't on Meta yet.

Eh? I think Babel templates are from last decade. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_language

On 20-02-2015 13:07, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi, Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided to have everything in Green..

The content is transcluded, but it's the local CSS that will style that content. So #babel does look different on other projects.

Regards,

Adam,

The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your userpage on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)

Those instructions regarding global preferences refer to when the feature is disabled by default, which is not currently the case.

Thanks, Dan

On 20 February 2015 at 09:20, Adam Wight awight@wikimedia.org wrote:

Hi Legoktm,

Thanks for doing this great work! I tried to follow the instructions at [1], and discovered that GlobalPreferences hasn't been deployed yet, so I don't think it's possible to enable a global user page yet. Please keep us posted when that happens, I'm looking forward to abusing this new feature :D

-Adam

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Erwin Dokter erwin@darcoury.nl wrote:

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On 20-02-2015 13:07, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

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Hoi, Babel templates are replaced by the #Babel functionality... The only problem I have with the Babel functionality on Meta is that they decided to have everything in Green..

The content is transcluded, but it's the local CSS that will style that content. So #babel does look different on other projects.

Regards,

Erwin Dokter

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Hi.

Erwin Dokter wrote:

On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:

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The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your userpage on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)

After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major shortcoming.

I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a global page.

I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page contains "{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}", this transclusion will expand in the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.

The most annoying thing is that once you create the local user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local admin to delete the local copy again.

It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons description pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in addition to the trancluded page.

Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-) The use-case being solved here most directly is "I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to my user page on over 800 wikis." I think the append model is interesting to consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via interwiki transclusion.

I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one wiki can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using {{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.

Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This is definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.

In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying here. Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and that the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use still needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed this project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:

1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today. If a better approach for global user pages comes along in the future, we can switch to using that instead, for sure.

2. We're working on a more generalized solution: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces. Nemo also pointed me toward https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66474 which may interest you.

Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator or on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a pattern of a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at ideas for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.

MZMcBride

2015-02-21 8:45 GMT+01:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:

Is it necessary to request deletion of a local user page in order to get the global page to be automatically transcluded?

Pine

It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request the deletion for all them. Not very useful.

Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in batches?

*This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/

*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not know.*

*—Catherine Munro*

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:

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Hi.

Erwin Dokter wrote:

...

On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:

...

The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your userpage on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)

After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one major shortcoming.

I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a global page.

I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page contains "{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}", this transclusion will expand in the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.

...

The most annoying thing is that once you create the local user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a local admin to delete the local copy again.

It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons description pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in addition to the trancluded page.

Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-) The use-case being solved here most directly is "I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to my user page on over 800 wikis." I think the append model is interesting to consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via interwiki transclusion.

...

I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one wiki can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the home wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using {{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.

Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This is definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.

In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying here. Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and

that

...

the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use still needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed this project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:

1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today. If

a

...

better approach for global user pages comes along in the future, we

can

...

switch to using that instead, for sure.

2. We're working on a more generalized solution: <

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces

...

...

.

Nemo also pointed me toward <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66474

which may interest you.

Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator or on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a pattern of a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at ideas for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.

MZMcBride

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Could we get uploading privileges allowed for normal users (such as myself) on meta? Otherwise profile photos will require special privileges.

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Hong, Yena lists@revi.pe.kr wrote:

[[m:Synchbot]] is what you are looking for.

-Revi [[User:-revi]] -- Sent from Android -- 2015. 2. 21. 오후 5:56에 "Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada" emijrp@gmail.com님이 작성:

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2015-02-21 8:45 GMT+01:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:

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Is it necessary to request deletion of a local user page in order to

get

...

...

the global page to be automatically transcluded?

Pine

It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request the deletion for all them. Not very useful.

Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in batches?

...

*This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/

*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock

of

...

...

our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water

we

...

must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the

broad

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...

fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do

not

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know.*

*—Catherine Munro*

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:

...

Hi.

Erwin Dokter wrote:

...

On 20-02-2015 18:22, Dan Garry wrote:

...

The feature is currently deployed and working. Simply set up your userpage on Meta, and it'll display on all other wikis! :-)

After having played with it a bit, I must conclude there is one

major

...

...

...

...

shortcoming.

I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a global page.

I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page

contains

...

...

"{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}", this transclusion will expand

in

...

...

the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.

...

The most annoying thing is that once you create the local user page, the global one is gone forever... until you can get a

local

...

...

...

...

admin to delete the local copy again.

It would be much more practical if this worked like Commons

description

...

...

...

pages, where one can *add* content to the local description pages in addition to the trancluded page.

Gone forever seems a bit hyperbolic. :-) The use-case being solved

here

...

...

most directly is "I don't want to create my user page or a pointer to

my

...

...

user page on over 800 wikis." I think the append model is interesting

to

...

...

consider, but I think it would likely need to be opt-in, perhaps via interwiki transclusion.

...

I also don't know why the system is so inflexible in that only one

wiki

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...

...

can act as the global home wiki. I know there are issues with the

home

...

...

...

...

wiki flag, but another approach could be in the form of using {{meta:user:Edokter}}, which could point to any project.

Right, you're basically suggesting interwiki transclusion here. This

is

...

...

...

definitely a hard problem to solve, for the context reason alone.

In discussing global user pages, someone privately criticized the implementation with basically the same theme of what you're saying

here.

...

...

Namely, that global user pages are only solving a narrow use-case and

that

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the more generalized problem of easy content distribution/re-use

still

...

...

...

needs to be addressed. I definitely agree, but here's why I pushed

this

...

...

...

project forward and why I'm happy with where we're headed:

1. Perfect is the enemy of the done. We have global user pages today.

If

...

a

...

better approach for global user pages comes along in the future,

we

...

...

can

...

switch to using that instead, for sure.

2. We're working on a more generalized solution: <

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Shadow_namespaces

...

...

.

Nemo also pointed me toward <

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T66474

...

...

which may interest you.

Please share your thoughts and feedback on the wiki or in Phabricator

or

...

...

on this mailing list. I think there's consensus that we have a

pattern

...

of

...

...

a problem that we want to solve and any help poking and prodding at

ideas

...

...

for solutions to this problem would be most welcome.

MZMcBride

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That's what I was going to do originally, but then I looked at my profile picture on en wiki[1] I saw this message:

"Do not copy this file to Wikimedia Commons.

While the license of this image or media file, uploaded and used on (a) Wikipedia contributor(s) user page(s), may be compliant with Commons, its usefulness to other projects is unlikely. It should not be copied to Commons unless a specific other usage is anticipated."

I took that to mean that profile pictures in general were discouraged from being placed in commons. If that's the case, then it makes sense for profiles on meta to have the same policy.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marielle_volz.jpg

On Feb 21, 2015 12:06 PM, "Erwin Dokter" erwin@darcoury.nl wrote:

On 21-02-2015 12:14, Marielle Volz wrote:

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Could we get uploading privileges allowed for normal users (such as myself) on meta? Otherwise profile photos will require special privileges.

We have Commons for that. Meta does not allow non-free or fair-use images anyway.

Regards,

Erwin Dokter

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On 21-02-2015 13:14, Marielle Volz wrote:

That's what I was going to do originally, but then I looked at my profile picture on en wiki[1] I saw this message:

"Do not copy this file to Wikimedia Commons. [...]"

I took that to mean that profile pictures in general were discouraged from being placed in commons. If that's the case, then it makes sense for profiles on meta to have the same policy.

Somone else placed that tag after you uploaded it. But you remain in control (and I would in fact remove that tag), and as Yena has pointed out, Commons welcomes user-space images.

Reagrds,

Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada wrote:

It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request the deletion for all them. Not very useful.

"Not very useful" is a slightly rude comment to make, in my opinion. You specifically and intentionally created local user pages on various Wikipedias. I imagine you and others would be rightfully upset if someone came along and simply overwrote your local user pages with a global user page without your knowledge or consent.

Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in batches?

There's discussion on Meta-Wiki about Synchbot deleting local user pages on a per-user, opt-in basis. I'm personally of the view that users seeking to un-spam the dozens or hundreds of wikis where they have created a local user page and done nothing more ought to clean up the "mess" themselves.

Instead of deletion, blanking the user page might be a neat way of triggering the global user page to re-appear (a version of pure wiki deletion). Though, of course, some users might want a 0-byte user page.

MZMcBride

2015-02-21 16:21 GMT+01:00 MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com:

Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada wrote:

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It seems so. In my case, I created years ago a lot of redirects to my English userpage from many Wikipedia languages, and now I have to request the deletion for all them. Not very useful.

"Not very useful" is a slightly rude comment to make, in my opinion. You specifically and intentionally created local user pages on various Wikipedias. I imagine you and others would be rightfully upset if someone came along and simply overwrote your local user pages with a global user page without your knowledge or consent.

...

Can we get a special bot task in meta to request userpage deletion in batches?

There's discussion on Meta-Wiki about Synchbot deleting local user pages on a per-user, opt-in basis. I'm personally of the view that users seeking to un-spam the dozens or hundreds of wikis where they have created a local user page and done nothing more ought to clean up the "mess" themselves.

I edited/added images and managed bots (generating edit rankings and other) in many Wikipedias. I didn't spammed anything, just had to create the redirect userpages years ago because MediaWiki didn't offered anything better.

If you don't know about the case, shut up.

Instead of deletion, blanking the user page might be a neat way of triggering the global user page to re-appear (a version of pure wiki deletion). Though, of course, some users might want a 0-byte user page.

MZMcBride

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I don't really see what is a problem here. On meta you can request deletion of all userpages in 2 minutes, I myself got my userpages deleted within 2 days and I didn't have to care at all. It was super simple and it worked.

I've seen a lot of problematic deployments of things that didn't work, but this is not a case, believe me.

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.org wrote:

Emilio,

it is in everybody's interest that Wikimedia is an environment where people treat each other with respect and assume that people mean well. Criticize ideas instead of people. There is some guidance at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_policy

Thank you.

andre

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Tim Landscheidt wrote:

I find the idea of singling someone out who defended himself against the (false) accusation that he spammed wikis while not muttering a word about the accuser's behaviour trou- bling. Shushing someone because he said "No! I don't want to be treated this way!" in a way that reflects the per- ceived infraction feels very wrong.

I'd say that using terms like "the accuser" and vaguely paraphrasing ("shut up" became "No! ...") is probably adding more heat than light.

The situation of users creating dozens or hundreds of local user pages never sat well with me as it was a bad hack. And it was entirely predictable that one day we'd be in a situation in which we'd have global user pages and the people who used a bot or scripts to create all of these local user pages would be annoyed by their own choices. Here we are.

In a lot of online communities, showing up and creating only a user page (or user profile) is pretty questionable. Calling it spam is too extreme; I agree and I apologized for using the term "un-spam."

MZMcBride

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:17 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:

Erwin Dokter wrote:

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I like to list my subpages locally, but that is not possible with a global page.

I think what you're saying here is that if your global user page contains "{{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Example}}", this transclusion will expand in the context of the global wiki, not in the context of the local wiki.

Yes, I do this. Is there a workaround? A phab task?

I mentioned this on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage#Where_content_c...

Thanks for developing this, y'all rock.

Hoi, When the "local" language is not among the selected languages, it helps to show a level 0 for the local language.

What do you think, is this feasible ?? Thanks, GerardM

On 20 February 2015 at 20:32, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:

This is awesome! When do we get a global language pref? ;)

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

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Hello!

Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users with CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2].

Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix & ShoutWiki,

Isarra,

...

MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who helped with testing it while it was in beta.

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/? projects=PHID-PROJ-j536clyie42uptgjkft7

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Kunal, Erik and All,

So great!

How will Linked Data be added to, and develop with, these interlingual Global User Pages - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage ?

Cheers, Scott

http://worlduniversityandschool.org/ http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Languages (planned for all 7,870 languages)

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@gmail.com wrote:

Hooray! This is so cool.

/goes to edit her meta userpage...

-- phoebe

p.s. re: babel, my absolute favorite use is on Wikidata, where you can add babel templates to your userpage and then get the appropriate fields to add stuff in that language :) I love showing that to people who are getting started on Wikidata.

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hello!

Global user pages have now been deployed to all public wikis for users

with

...

CentralAuth accounts. Documentation on the feature is available at mediawiki.org[1], and if you notice any bugs please file them in Phabricator[2].

Thanks to all the people who helped with the creation and deployment (incomplete, and in no particular order): Jack Phoenix & ShoutWiki,

Isarra,

...

MZMcBride, Nemo, Quiddity, Aaron S, Matt F, James F, and everyone who

helped

...

with testing it while it was in beta.

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalUserPage [2]

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/create/?projects=PHID-PROJ-...

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