Jimbo wrote:
Hmm, well, it is going to be usable by all Wikimedia projects no matter what we call it.
Anything which is usable by all Wikimedia project needs to be at a project-neutral domain. Would it not be odd to have Wikipedia's images at images.wikibooks.org?
Which reminds me: Why hasn't this list been moved to wikitech-l at wikimedia.org yet? Wikipedia-l has...
I don't really object, but just note that these moves
have been done without my conscious knowledge or support or opposition. I'm not really clear on what the point is, actually.
Because we are all part of Wikimedia. In an offlist post to me you also added your support to moving meta to the wikimedia.org domain. Moving mail.wikipedia.org is a natural extension of that and it would then be logical to depreciate @wikipedia.org for @wikimedia.org.
It does make sense to me that stuff having to do primarily with wikipedia, such as wikipedia-l for example, should be on wikipedia.org, while stuff having to do with the foundation as a whole, encompassing more than just the flagship encyclopedia, should be on wikimedia, like the legal mailing list, etc.
Wikipedia is part of Wikimedia. To help with a cultural shift to become less Wikipedia-centric, moving the Wikipedia-related mailing lists to the wikimedial.org domain makes perfect sense. Otherwise each project will want to have their own mail.<project name>.org subdomain. That means we will have more subdomains to set-up and maintain and the different projects will be more isolated from each other than need be.
We are /all/ one super-community here - Wikimedia - thus we should all share things such as mailing list domains, image space, meta, log-ins etc. This will tend to bind us all together, instead of being separate projects which happen to be on the same server. People from one project should be reminded where it makes sense that there are other Wikimedia projects. This will encourage cross-polination of ideas and also help to make sure projects do not duplicate work (no need for textbooks in Wikipedia, no need for dictionary entries in Wikibooks etc).
Is there any reason why we should move *all* the mailing lists to wikimedia?
See above. If the language-specific lists are also moved then they should be renamed in this format: WikipediaXx-l. Brion has already stated that this should not pose technical problems and should in fact be fairly easy to do. It would also be confusing to have a mix of @wikipedia.org and @wikimedia.org mailing lists laying around - they are too similar and it is not apparent that they both work. Best to have just one and it is best to have that be at a project-neutral domain name.
Oh, it would also be nice to have "A [Wikimedia] project" under the logo of every Wikipedia project. [Wikimedia] would be a link to the Foundation's home page. This would be another thing we could do to help enforce the idea that we are all together and also help direct the energies of newbies to the right projects.
Big picture issues.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav - hopeless INTJ mastermind)
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Daniel Mayer wrote:
Anything which is usable by all Wikimedia project needs to be at a project-neutral domain. Would it not be odd to have Wikipedia's images at images.wikibooks.org?
Yes, about as odd as having Wikipedia's images at images.wikimedia.org, right?
Because we are all part of Wikimedia. In an offlist post to me you also added your support to moving meta to the wikimedia.org domain. Moving mail.wikipedia.org is a natural extension of that and it would then be logical to depreciate @wikipedia.org for @wikimedia.org.
O.k., I'm not against any of this. Meta, in particular, is a real curiosity these days. No one seems to know what what it's for.
I don't disagree with any of the rest of what you wrote, either.
--Jimbo
Note: I deleted the stuff I agree with completely.
Anything which is usable by all Wikimedia project needs to be at a project-neutral domain. Would it not be odd to have Wikipedia's images at images.wikibooks.org?
IMHO it'd make a lot more sense to have it at images.wikimedia.org, but images.wikibooks.org would still be ok.
We are /all/ one super-community here - Wikimedia - thus we should all share things such as mailing list domains, image space, meta, log-ins etc. This will tend to bind us all together, instead of being separate projects which happen to be on the same server. People from one project should be reminded where it makes sense that there are other Wikimedia projects. This will encourage cross-polination of ideas and also help to make sure projects do not duplicate work (no need for textbooks in Wikipedia, no need for dictionary entries in Wikibooks etc).
Big picture issues
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav - hopeless INTJ mastermind)
That's a good idea, but aren't there some big technical problems with merging everything (except for the mailing lists)? For example, what if there are two different pictures with the same name? Should one of them be deleted? Should they each be prefixed with a language code or something and then bots will go through and change all of the articles that link to them? The same goes for logins. And why would merging logins fix the problem of people not going to the right wiki? LDan
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