Hi all,
We've had @wikimediatech accounts on twitter & identica for some time now: * http://identi.ca/wikimediatech * https://twitter.com/#!/wikimediatech that basically broadcast every single action that is logged to the server admin log: * http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Server_admin_log
The account has 78 followers on identica and 430 on twitter (probably counting the spammers).
I'm wondering if there are actually people reading all the stuff that's pushed through these channels.
My gut feeling is that the few people reading these feeds are also those that would know to check the SLA if they encountered an issue, or know how to use the RSS feed of the SLA page if they really wanted the information in real time.
Meanwhile, we don't really have social media channels dedicated to Wikimedia tech stuff, i.e. channels where we can actually post stuff, links, blog posts, outage info, etc and engage with a larger community of people interested in our tech operations. I feel that the accounts would be much more useful if we reduced the amount of semi-random information we post there.
So, I'm basically proposing to repurpose the @wikimediatech accounts for this.
Thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea? You don't care?
I read it, and I'm not in the channels.
I use it to have an up-to-moment idea of status.
On 11/29/11 11:25 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
Hi all,
We've had @wikimediatech accounts on twitter& identica for some time now:
that basically broadcast every single action that is logged to the server admin log:
The account has 78 followers on identica and 430 on twitter (probably counting the spammers).
I'm wondering if there are actually people reading all the stuff that's pushed through these channels.
My gut feeling is that the few people reading these feeds are also those that would know to check the SLA if they encountered an issue, or know how to use the RSS feed of the SLA page if they really wanted the information in real time.
Meanwhile, we don't really have social media channels dedicated to Wikimedia tech stuff, i.e. channels where we can actually post stuff, links, blog posts, outage info, etc and engage with a larger community of people interested in our tech operations. I feel that the accounts would be much more useful if we reduced the amount of semi-random information we post there.
So, I'm basically proposing to repurpose the @wikimediatech accounts for this.
Thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea? You don't care?
As someone who uses social media frequently i'd love to see us use our resources more effectively. I've found it really helpful to use twitter for our mobile site (http://twitter.com/#!/WikimediaMobile) and i've been growing that community steadily through outreach, hackathons, etc.
+1
--tomasz
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Hi all,
We've had @wikimediatech accounts on twitter & identica for some time now:
that basically broadcast every single action that is logged to the server admin log:
The account has 78 followers on identica and 430 on twitter (probably counting the spammers).
I'm wondering if there are actually people reading all the stuff that's pushed through these channels.
My gut feeling is that the few people reading these feeds are also those that would know to check the SLA if they encountered an issue, or know how to use the RSS feed of the SLA page if they really wanted the information in real time.
Meanwhile, we don't really have social media channels dedicated to Wikimedia tech stuff, i.e. channels where we can actually post stuff, links, blog posts, outage info, etc and engage with a larger community of people interested in our tech operations. I feel that the accounts would be much more useful if we reduced the amount of semi-random information we post there.
So, I'm basically proposing to repurpose the @wikimediatech accounts for this.
Thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea? You don't care?
-- Guillaume Paumier Technical Communications Manager — Wikimedia Foundation http://donate.wikimedia.org
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I think I either set those up or encouraged them to be set up a couple years ago.
Most likely we would be better off with human updates in there, but we may need some designated tweeters to make sure it happens reliably when there are issues to report, new features to mention, or upcoming stuff we want feedback on.
-- brion On Nov 29, 2011 11:25 AM, "Guillaume Paumier" gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
We've had @wikimediatech accounts on twitter & identica for some time now:
that basically broadcast every single action that is logged to the server admin log:
The account has 78 followers on identica and 430 on twitter (probably counting the spammers).
I'm wondering if there are actually people reading all the stuff that's pushed through these channels.
My gut feeling is that the few people reading these feeds are also those that would know to check the SLA if they encountered an issue, or know how to use the RSS feed of the SLA page if they really wanted the information in real time.
Meanwhile, we don't really have social media channels dedicated to Wikimedia tech stuff, i.e. channels where we can actually post stuff, links, blog posts, outage info, etc and engage with a larger community of people interested in our tech operations. I feel that the accounts would be much more useful if we reduced the amount of semi-random information we post there.
So, I'm basically proposing to repurpose the @wikimediatech accounts for this.
Thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea? You don't care?
-- Guillaume Paumier Technical Communications Manager — Wikimedia Foundation http://donate.wikimedia.org
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
On Nov 29, 2011 11:25 AM, "Guillaume Paumier" gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote:
My gut feeling is that the few people reading these feeds are also those that would know to check the SLA if they encountered an issue, or know how to use the RSS feed of the SLA page if they really wanted the information in real time.
I think "server admin log" is usually abbreviated as SAL, not SLA. ;-)
Meanwhile, we don't really have social media channels dedicated to Wikimedia tech stuff, i.e. channels where we can actually post stuff, links, blog posts, outage info, etc and engage with a larger community of people interested in our tech operations. I feel that the accounts would be much more useful if we reduced the amount of semi-random information we post there.
So, I'm basically proposing to repurpose the @wikimediatech accounts for this.
Brion Vibber wrote:
Most likely we would be better off with human updates in there, but we may need some designated tweeters to make sure it happens reliably when there are issues to report, new features to mention, or upcoming stuff we want feedback on.
I agree with Brion. Human updates would be nice. The truncated and often context-less messages in the current feed are rather useless.
MZMcBride
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:14 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I agree with Brion. Human updates would be nice. The truncated and often context-less messages in the current feed are rather useless.
We would have to do it in some sort of convenient way that doesn't involve logging out of one's own account and logging into the wikimediatech account using the password you had to look up on a server somewhere. I was thinking we could have a script on fenari that does it, that way it's convenient but still restricted to people with command-line access (as opposed to !log which is unrestricted).
Roan
On 29/11/11 23:21, Roan Kattouw wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:14 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I agree with Brion. Human updates would be nice. The truncated and often context-less messages in the current feed are rather useless.
We would have to do it in some sort of convenient way that doesn't involve logging out of one's own account and logging into the wikimediatech account using the password you had to look up on a server somewhere. I was thinking we could have a script on fenari that does it, that way it's convenient but still restricted to people with command-line access (as opposed to !log which is unrestricted).
Roan
I don't think it should be something requiring shell access. There might be a very skilled secretary to summarise a blog into a tweet but dangerous to be given a command line. Or you may want to involve some community people in the future.
Does identi.ca allow an ACL of users allowed to push tweets with a shared account?.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think it should be something requiring shell access. There might be a very skilled secretary to summarise a blog into a tweet but dangerous to be given a command line. Or you may want to involve some community people in the future.
I think the closest real-world example is Guillaume, but yeah, that's a valid point.
Does identi.ca allow an ACL of users allowed to push tweets with a shared account?.
I don't know. It would be nice to have that. I'm not at all married to the shell script idea, as long as we can enforce some kind of access control.
Roan
First things first, I read the Twitter updates on the @wikimediatech channel. But, I'm for the idea of moving the logging to a separate account.
Now, as to the access idea, I know Twitter has an API that we might be able to utilize ( https://dev.twitter.com/ ). I don't know how easy it would be, but could we write an application that someone could login to (using an individual username and password that they request) and then use that application to post updates.
Just a thought.
Matthew Bowker
On Nov 29, 2011, at 15:45, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think it should be something requiring shell access. There might be a very skilled secretary to summarise a blog into a tweet but dangerous to be given a command line. Or you may want to involve some community people in the future.
I think the closest real-world example is Guillaume, but yeah, that's a valid point.
Does identi.ca allow an ACL of users allowed to push tweets with a shared account?.
I don't know. It would be nice to have that. I'm not at all married to the shell script idea, as long as we can enforce some kind of access control.
Roan
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On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:14 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I agree with Brion. Human updates would be nice. The truncated and often context-less messages in the current feed are rather useless.
We would have to do it in some sort of convenient way that doesn't involve logging out of one's own account and logging into the wikimediatech account using the password you had to look up on a server somewhere. I was thinking we could have a script on fenari that does it, that way it's convenient but still restricted to people with command-line access (as opposed to !log which is unrestricted).
It would be fairly trivial to whip up a script that pushes to the identi.caaccount and has its own authentication. It might even -- dare I say it -- be a MediaWiki plugin using our existing authentication and user groups system. :)
(Offhand I forget if the Twitter feed is auto-mirroring from the identi.cafeed or separately posted, but either way is doable.)
-- brion
On 30/11/11 00:53, Brion Vibber wrote:
It would be fairly trivial to whip up a script that pushes to the identi.caaccount and has its own authentication. It might even -- dare I say it -- be a MediaWiki plugin using our existing authentication and user groups system. :)
(Offhand I forget if the Twitter feed is auto-mirroring from the identi.cafeed or separately posted, but either way is doable.)
-- brion
That was my Plan B, but thought that perhaps it was already handled upstream. AFAIK that mw extension would also be useful for some communities.
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
On 30/11/11 00:53, Brion Vibber wrote:
It would be fairly trivial to whip up a script that pushes to the identi.caaccount and has its own authentication. It might even -- dare I say it -- be a MediaWiki plugin using our existing authentication and user groups system. :)
That was my Plan B, but thought that perhaps it was already handled upstream. AFAIK that mw extension would also be useful for some communities.
I stuck an entry into the 'extension requests' section on bz: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32745
If anybody feels like working on such a tool or commenting on its usefulness, there's the place. :D
-- brion
2011/11/29 Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org:
Hi all,
We've had @wikimediatech accounts on twitter & identica for some time now:
that basically broadcast every single action that is logged to the server admin log:
I don't use microblogging platforms, so the answer to your question would be "I don't care". However, when I do need to check something in the Server admin log, I can almost never remember it's address (the domain, to be more precise) and I have to go digging in the favorites. Perhaps a short URL would help?
Thanks, Strainu
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Strainu strainu10@gmail.com wrote:
I don't use microblogging platforms, so the answer to your question would be "I don't care". However, when I do need to check something in the Server admin log, I can almost never remember it's address (the domain, to be more precise) and I have to go digging in the favorites. Perhaps a short URL would help?
Thanks, Strainu
http://bit.ly/wikisal (wiki server admin log)
- Krinkle
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote:
I'm wondering if there are actually people reading all the stuff that's pushed through these channels.
My gut feeling is that the few people reading these feeds are also those that would know to check the SLA if they encountered an issue, or know how to use the RSS feed of the SLA page if they really wanted the information in real time.
Yeah, I use it, but really just because it's the laziest way to read the SAL. To be quite honest, my identica noise would be a lot lower without @wikimediatech .
Meanwhile, we don't really have social media channels dedicated to Wikimedia tech stuff, i.e. channels where we can actually post stuff, links, blog posts, outage info, etc and engage with a larger community of people interested in our tech operations. I feel that the accounts would be much more useful if we reduced the amount of semi-random information we post there.
So, I'm basically proposing to repurpose the @wikimediatech accounts for this.
Thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea? You don't care?
+1, let's do it.
Roan
I read it, I like it, and I find it useful - particularly when I'm in transit.
I agree it would be neat to be able to use twitter/identica for actual humans to post stuff, but I don't think these need to be mutually exclusive goals. Would it be silly to have separate accounts? One specifically for bot logging and one specifically for actual human communication?
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote:
I'm wondering if there are actually people reading all the stuff that's pushed through these channels.
My gut feeling is that the few people reading these feeds are also those that would know to check the SLA if they encountered an issue, or know how to use the RSS feed of the SLA page if they really wanted the information in real time.
Yeah, I use it, but really just because it's the laziest way to read the SAL. To be quite honest, my identica noise would be a lot lower without @wikimediatech .
Meanwhile, we don't really have social media channels dedicated to Wikimedia tech stuff, i.e. channels where we can actually post stuff, links, blog posts, outage info, etc and engage with a larger community of people interested in our tech operations. I feel that the accounts would be much more useful if we reduced the amount of semi-random information we post there.
So, I'm basically proposing to repurpose the @wikimediatech accounts for
this.
Thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea? You don't care?
+1, let's do it.
Roan
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On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Arthur Richards arichards@wikimedia.org wrote:
I read it, I like it, and I find it useful - particularly when I'm in transit.
I agree it would be neat to be able to use twitter/identica for actual humans to post stuff, but I don't think these need to be mutually exclusive goals. Would it be silly to have separate accounts? One specifically for bot logging and one specifically for actual human communication?
Not silly at all. As a matter of fact, while you were writing that, I was registering @wikitechlog on both services, which I think is a better alternative for automated notifications.
So, unless there are serious concerns, we'll be switching the automated notifications to @wikitechlog, and we'll repurpose @wikimediatech for the human stuff.
Do we *have* to rename the feeds?
We rename *everything*. I'm unsure why we can't just create a different account for people, rather than subvert the existing one. WikimediaTechNews, maybe. I don't know.
On 11/29/11 11:44 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
Not silly at all. As a matter of fact, while you were writing that, I was registering @wikitechlog on both services, which I think is a better alternative for automated notifications.
So, unless there are serious concerns, we'll be switching the automated notifications to @wikitechlog, and we'll repurpose @wikimediatech for the human stuff.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
Do we *have* to rename the feeds?
We rename *everything*. I'm unsure why we can't just create a different account for people, rather than subvert the existing one. WikimediaTechNews, maybe. I don't know.
wikimediatech is shorter (which facilitates manual retweets) and frankly it's the name I would consider canonical for an account about wikimedia tech stuff (@wikitech is someone else).
Plus, we get to leverage the existing readership, while at the same time offering the possibility to subscribe to the automated log notifications for people who still want to read them.
There's only 78 followers. Most of them are staff. That's not a lot of people to leverage, so I'm not sure that's a valid point.
Why not "wmftech" ?
On 11/29/11 11:53 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Brandon Harrisbharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
Do we *have* to rename the feeds? We rename *everything*. I'm unsure why we can't just create a differentaccount for people, rather than subvert the existing one. WikimediaTechNews, maybe. I don't know.
wikimediatech is shorter (which facilitates manual retweets) and frankly it's the name I would consider canonical for an account about wikimedia tech stuff (@wikitech is someone else).
Plus, we get to leverage the existing readership, while at the same time offering the possibility to subscribe to the automated log notifications for people who still want to read them.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
There's only 78 followers. Most of them are staff. That's not a lot of people to leverage, so I'm not sure that's a valid point.
78 on identica, 430 on twitter
Why not "wmftech" ?
Because initialisms are plain Evil, and Wikimedia != WMF.
If there is any other reason that you think should prevent us from doing the switch (besides personal comfort), I'm happy to hear them (on or off-list).
On Nov 29, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
There's only 78 followers. Most of them are staff. That'snot a lot of people to leverage, so I'm not sure that's a valid point.
78 on identica, 430 on twitter
Why not "wmftech" ?Because initialisms are plain Evil, and Wikimedia != WMF.
If there is any other reason that you think should prevent us from doing the switch (besides personal comfort), I'm happy to hear them (on or off-list).
Why can't we do both the switch on @wikimediatech and for those of us who find the server log tweets interesting, how about have @wikimediaops?
Cheers, Katie
-- Guillaume Paumier Technical Communications Manager — Wikimedia Foundation http://donate.wikimedia.org
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Guillaume Paumier" gpaumier@wikimedia.org
Not silly at all. As a matter of fact, while you were writing that, I was registering @wikitechlog on both services, which I think is a better alternative for automated notifications.
What you said. :-)
Cheers, -- jra
On 11/29/2011 02:44 PM, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Arthur Richards arichards@wikimedia.org wrote:
I read it, I like it, and I find it useful - particularly when I'm in transit.
I agree it would be neat to be able to use twitter/identica for actual humans to post stuff, but I don't think these need to be mutually exclusive goals. Would it be silly to have separate accounts? One specifically for bot logging and one specifically for actual human communication?
Not silly at all. As a matter of fact, while you were writing that, I was registering @wikitechlog on both services, which I think is a better alternative for automated notifications.
So, unless there are serious concerns, we'll be switching the automated notifications to @wikitechlog, and we'll repurpose @wikimediatech for the human stuff.
Sounds fine to me.
For reference, then, these are the current Twitter & Identi.ca accounts that I know of that concern Wikimedia technology.
https://twitter.com/#!/WikimediaMobile https://twitter.com/#!/Wikimedia (more general but sometimes tech) https://twitter.com/#!/MediaWikiOrg https://twitter.com/#!/wikimediatech https://identi.ca/wikimediatech https://twitter.com/#!/MediaWikiMeet https://identi.ca/mediawikimeet https://twitter.com/#!/wikitechlog https://identi.ca/wikitechlog
Tag group: https://identi.ca/selftag/mediawiki Tag group: https://identi.ca/group/wikimedia Tag group: https://identi.ca/group/mediawiki
Archived at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Twitter just to have someplace to put the list -- feel free to be bold and move it someplace better.
Hi,
I use it (since two days - after I found this account), because it's the fastest way to the SAL updates for me.
But I would also use an account like @wikimediatechSAL - so I think it would be fine if you would use @wikimediatech for communications - as long as you set up a new twitter account for SAL-Updates. :)
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On 29.11.2011, at 20:25, Guillaume Paumier wrote:
Hi all,
We've had @wikimediatech accounts on twitter & identica for some time now:
that basically broadcast every single action that is logged to the server admin log:
The account has 78 followers on identica and 430 on twitter (probably counting the spammers).
I'm wondering if there are actually people reading all the stuff that's pushed through these channels.
My gut feeling is that the few people reading these feeds are also those that would know to check the SLA if they encountered an issue, or know how to use the RSS feed of the SLA page if they really wanted the information in real time.
Meanwhile, we don't really have social media channels dedicated to Wikimedia tech stuff, i.e. channels where we can actually post stuff, links, blog posts, outage info, etc and engage with a larger community of people interested in our tech operations. I feel that the accounts would be much more useful if we reduced the amount of semi-random information we post there.
So, I'm basically proposing to repurpose the @wikimediatech accounts for this.
Thoughts? Good idea? Bad idea? You don't care?
-- Guillaume Paumier Technical Communications Manager — Wikimedia Foundation http://donate.wikimedia.org
Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote:
The account has 78 followers on identica and 430 on twitter (probably counting the spammers).
Make that 77 and 429. Just unsubscribed from both because I haven't read them in forever...actually, I never really read them.
I get info straight from the SAL.
-Chad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guillaume Paumier" gpaumier@wikimedia.org
I'm wondering if there are actually people reading all the stuff that's pushed through these channels.
Now that I know it's there, I'll certainly be reading it; thanks for the headsup. ;-)
Cheers, -- jra
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guillaume Paumier" gpaumier@wikimedia.org
Meanwhile, we don't really have social media channels dedicated to Wikimedia tech stuff, i.e. channels where we can actually post stuff, links, blog posts, outage info, etc and engage with a larger community of people interested in our tech operations. I feel that the accounts would be much more useful if we reduced the amount of semi-random information we post there.
So, I'm basically proposing to repurpose the @wikimediatech accounts for this.
I think I concur with whomever suggested stripping logmsgbot's postings out of that to a separate feed, as well, now that I've looked at it.
Cheers, -- jra
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