Hi,
There's been a lot of bikeshedding topics recently. On things ranging from spaces, to typos, to naming things. I was kind of tired of these mundane threads, so I decided to start one on something productive.
What color should the bikeshed be?
I vote blue.
-Chad
Wadler's law will always hold. :P
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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
There's been a lot of bikeshedding topics recently. On things ranging from spaces, to typos, to naming things. I was kind of tired of these mundane threads, so I decided to start one on something productive.
What color should the bikeshed be?
I vote blue.
-Chad
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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
There's been a lot of bikeshedding topics recently. On things ranging from spaces, to typos, to naming things. I was kind of tired of these mundane threads, so I decided to start one on something productive.
What color should the bikeshed be?
I vote blue.
Trick question: there is no bikeshed. It is only your mind that bends.
-- brion
On 01/23/2013 01:11 PM, Chad wrote:
Hi,
There's been a lot of bikeshedding topics recently. On things ranging from spaces, to typos, to naming things. I was kind of tired of these mundane threads, so I decided to start one on something productive.
What color should the bikeshed be?
I vote blue.
-Chad
Bohemian-bourgeois answer: "The organic free-range sustainable sweatshop-free paint only comes in mauve."
Too Much Monty Python answer: "Blue! No, green! Auggghh!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWS8Mg-JWSg
Community manager's dream answer: Here's a bunch of paint and some brushes, go have fun! [time passes] Oh what a lovely mural! -Sumana
Hey,
What color should the bikeshed be?
I'll forgive you for your ignorance - one really needs to start with picking the kind of paint first
Cheers
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Are we just appropriating a random bikeshed somewhere in SF for this project?
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroendedauw@gmail.comwrote:
Hey,
What color should the bikeshed be?
I'll forgive you for your ignorance - one really needs to start with picking the kind of paint first
Cheers
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It's actually a bus, not a bikeshed. It is already painted. And vim is obviously the better editor.
Blue, and bigger on the inside.
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com wrote:
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I mean does it have to be a bike shed or can I put my boat in it?
On a more serious note, I think all this bikeshedding reveals a big problem we have. It is very hard to reach consensus on many topics and it seems one person saying no has more weight than 10 people say yes.
Bikeshedding prevents: * more interesting discussions about how we can improve the security of the bikeshed * can be deflating - giving the sense that the bike shed will never actually be painted, will never actually exist and I will never buy a bike and never go on wonderful bike rides. * can put people off who see that other community projects already have a painted bikeshed that is more interesting and worthy of attention * can cause broken windows - since everyone is discussing the bikeshed no one is paying attention to all the bricks some kids are throwing through the windows at night and the whole of the community centre is falling apart. Also this becomes infectious and other kids start adding graffiti to walls (well there are already broken windows....)
Suggested solution: Maybe some kind of voting system might be of use to force some kind of consensus rather than leaving problems unsolved. I'm fed up of receiving emails about the same problem I discussed weeks before that never got solved. It makes my mailbox ill.
I mean if the question is really what colour is the bikeshed it would be good for people to propose colours, people to vote on preferred colours and at the end of say a week the majority colour wins and gets implemented (or in cases where there is no majority we discuss the front runners and other possible solutions).
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
Blue, and bigger on the inside.
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On 2013-01-23 3:38 PM, "Jon Robson" jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Suggested solution: Maybe some kind of voting system might be of use to force some kind of consensus rather than leaving problems unsolved. I'm fed up of receiving emails about the same problem I discussed weeks before that never got solved. It makes my mailbox ill.
I mean if the question is really what colour is the bikeshed it would be good for people to propose colours, people to vote on preferred colours and at the end of say a week the majority colour wins and gets implemented (or in cases where there is no majority we discuss the front runners and other possible solutions).
What colour should the polling booth be?
I don't think the answer is voting. Perhaps there are some sheds that don't need to be painted.
-bawolff
P.s. if someone built a bikeshed in the wmf office they would be my hero
On 01/23/2013 12:56 PM, Bawolff Bawolff wrote:
On 2013-01-23 3:38 PM, "Jon Robson" jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Suggested solution: Maybe some kind of voting system might be of use to force some kind of consensus rather than leaving problems unsolved. I'm fed up of receiving emails about the same problem I discussed weeks before that never got solved. It makes my mailbox ill.
I mean if the question is really what colour is the bikeshed it would be good for people to propose colours, people to vote on preferred colours and at the end of say a week the majority colour wins and gets implemented (or in cases where there is no majority we discuss the front runners and other possible solutions).
What colour should the polling booth be?
I don't think the answer is voting. Perhaps there are some sheds that don't need to be painted.
-bawolff
P.s. if someone built a bikeshed in the wmf office they would be my hero
I have put out a call for one: http://groups.freecycle.org/oaklandfreecycle/posts/27285249
If I get one, I will donate it to the wmf office. LW
On 23/01/13 20:38, Jon Robson wrote:
Suggested solution: Maybe some kind of voting system might be of use to force some kind of consensus rather than leaving problems unsolved. I'm fed up of receiving emails about the same problem I discussed weeks before that never got solved. It makes my mailbox ill.
I mean if the question is really what colour is the bikeshed it would be good for people to propose colours, people to vote on preferred colours and at the end of say a week the majority colour wins and gets implemented (or in cases where there is no majority we discuss the front runners and other possible solutions).
Excuse me, but your proposed solution is wholly inadequate. For example, a few people might prefer a green bikeshed, more people might prefer blue, yet a small majority might prefer awful grey. The greens would of course prefer blue to grey, yet this would not be reflected in the voting outcome.
Obviously, if this is ever to be implemented, we need a better way of counting the votes, such as instant-runoff voting.
Excuse me, but your proposed solution is wholly inadequate. For example, a few people might prefer a green bikeshed, more people might prefer blue, yet a small majority might prefer awful grey. The greens would of course prefer blue to grey, yet this would not be reflected in the voting outcome.
Obviously, if this is ever to be implemented, we need a better way of counting the votes, such as instant-runoff voting.
This doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure what you mean by "small majority", but I'm going to assume that it's a majority nonetheless. If a majority prefers gray, even if everybody who voted green and blue banded together and voted for one color, they'd still have less votes than those who voted from gray. Hence the reason for using a majority vote.
On that note, I'd be perfectly fine doing a quick majority vote on small bikeshed items just so we can get them over with and so people can stop -1'ing my patchsets because of them. This especially applies in cases where there are only two choices, e.g., if( v. if (.
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On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 2:30 AM, Nikola Smolenski smolensk@eunet.rs wrote:
On 23/01/13 20:38, Jon Robson wrote:
Suggested solution: Maybe some kind of voting system might be of use to force some kind of consensus rather than leaving problems unsolved. I'm fed up of receiving emails about the same problem I discussed weeks before that never got solved. It makes my mailbox ill.
I mean if the question is really what colour is the bikeshed it would be good for people to propose colours, people to vote on preferred colours and at the end of say a week the majority colour wins and gets implemented (or in cases where there is no majority we discuss the front runners and other possible solutions).
Excuse me, but your proposed solution is wholly inadequate. For example, a few people might prefer a green bikeshed, more people might prefer blue, yet a small majority might prefer awful grey. The greens would of course prefer blue to grey, yet this would not be reflected in the voting outcome.
Obviously, if this is ever to be implemented, we need a better way of counting the votes, such as instant-runoff voting.
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On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerromeo@gmail.com wrote:
Excuse me, but your proposed solution is wholly inadequate. For example, a few people might prefer a green bikeshed, more people might prefer blue, yet a small majority might prefer awful grey. The greens would of course prefer blue to grey, yet this would not be reflected in the voting outcome.
Obviously, if this is ever to be implemented, we need a better way of counting the votes, such as instant-runoff voting.
This doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure what you mean by "small majority", but I'm going to assume that it's a majority nonetheless.
I expect Nikola meant a relative majority (sometimes called a plurality) rather than an absolute, overall, or simple majority.
This reminds me of the differences in US versus UK meaning for the verb "to table". Or for the noun "fanny".
But we should use the Schulze method, not IRV.
On Jan 24, 2013 11:06 AM, "Brad Jorsch" bjorsch@wikimedia.org wrote:
But we should use the Schulze method, not IRV.
In either case we should use selectricity.
On 23 January 2013 19:11, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
There's been a lot of bikeshedding topics recently. On things ranging from spaces, to typos, to naming things. I was kind of tired of these mundane threads, so I decided to start one on something productive.
What color should the bikeshed be?
I vote blue.
-Chad
The list is more professional than ever. Looking back to the beggining of the history of the list is amazing how the wikitech has evolved. Very impresive. And that make me very happy. But this also make the list very tecnical. Sometimes I don't even understand what you guys are talking about, gerrit this, gerrit that, ..but I always feel like I am learning something every time I read a email here.
*insert here a funny and witty joke about bikesheeds*
Le 23/01/13 19:11, Chad a écrit :
Hi,
There's been a lot of bikeshedding topics recently. On things ranging from spaces, to typos, to naming things. I was kind of tired of these mundane threads, so I decided to start one on something productive.
What color should the bikeshed be?
I vote blue.
J'ai une nette préférence pour l'utilisation du français quelque soit la couleur finalement retenue. J'avoue avoir un faible pour le mauve quoi que le pourpre pourrait également me convenir.
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