Thanks for the link Jon.
It seems only fair that people actually try the feature before ripping it to shreds. Right? We've had extensions to create alternative content curation features in the past, such as books, and this is hardly the first time an experimental feature was launched on mobile first. So hardly seems like time to grab the pitchforks before you even give it a fair shot.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:00 AM Jon Robson jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
I should add you can opt into mobile beta using this link: http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions
The design still has kinks and the extension still needs work before. Releasing to mobile beta will get us an audience to identify those issues and fix them. I'd be keen to get this as a desktop beta feature too if anyone is willing to help me. On 26 Mar 2015 7:41 am, "Jon Robson" jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
A few notes:
- lists are public in the first version but there is APIs to make them
private. Public lists is something that will have moderation problems and interesting to explore.
- the feature is _launching_ on mobile. It's built to work on desktop and
with a tiny bit of work I can turn it on as a beta feature on desktop
(the
issue is how to replace the existing watchstar on desktop).
- We considered doing it straight in core based on the watchlist code but
we figured it would be more responsible to experiment in an extension,
fine
tune it against a completely different use case to watchlist and then
make
a proposal to move the good parts/all parts into core. I'm still
personally
dedicated to resolving the RFC [1]. We have worked hard so that the api
to
gather is backwards compatible with watchlist methods.
- you can play with it on betalabs:
Gather/by/Jdlrobson
** http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:Gather
- I'm personally excited to make multiple watchlists a reality using this
extension at Lyon if anyone is keen to help me there. The infrastructure required is all in Gather.
[1] https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Support_
for_user-specific_page_lists_in_core
On 26 Mar 2015 7:20 am, "Brian Wolff" bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 26, 2015 11:04 AM, "Brian Wolff" bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 26, 2015 9:58 AM, "MZMcBride" z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Hi.
Moushira Elamrawy wrote:
The Extension will keep the name Gather and internally the team was
more
inclined to name the feature "Stacks". However, a survey study has
been
carried out by the design research team and Collections, as a name
for a
feature, scored far better than the other suggested alternatives.
Full
survey information and results are documented here <
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension%CB%90Gather/renaming_survey%3E.
Right... in the January 2015 thread you linked, it was quickly
pointed
out
that Extension:Collection already exists. The mobile team, in
typical
form, decided to ignore any previous work and instead make its own project. At least we were able to shout loudly enough to stop this functionality from being part of the MobileFrontend extension.
Hey, count your blessings its not called "collections" with just an s
at
the end to distinguish it...
This is a new experiment in content curation, which hopefully helps
with
learning new users behavior on mobile web. We are looking forward
to
learning awesome lessons from this beta launch.
As was also previously pointed out, we've had curation support for a
long
time in the form of categories (another feature that could have been improved rather than making a new extension). Or making a list of
pages
using wikilinks. Or tagging pages with templates, which
auto-generates
an
index. Perhaps you can explain why this new feature is limited to
mobile?
I dont know if this criticism is fair. Many users have been asking for
multiple watchlist type functionality for years despite the option of creating a subpage or category and throwing special:recentchangeslinked. Categories dont really have per user namespace, and i think its
important
to have interfaces that encourage users to do this sort of thing rather then making them figure out that they are physically able to and allowed to.
I do agree that its odd that this isnt developed in core for all
users.
The faq entry is unconvincing.
--bawolff
Actually after reading the extension page, I'm a little confused. If the goal is to create private personal lists why are the lists public? I can understand the use case for private lists (watchlist). I understand the use case for public lists (categories). What is the use case for pseudo-private lists?
Maybe it will make more sense to me when the extension is deployed and I see it in action. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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