On Friday, April 1, 2016, C. Scott Ananian cananian@wikimedia.org wrote:
Arlo actually implemented the Parsoid side of this: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T50891
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We still need VE support: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T55974
Cool, will concentrate my efforts there. :)
I hope we can figure out a nice intermediate behavior that keeps the annotations and doesn't act too surprising to the user. I can't dedicate huge amounts of time to it but would be happy to help where I can.
-- brion
--scott
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Gregory Varnum <gregory.varnum@gmail.com javascript:;> wrote:
I think improving VE to understand translate, and expanding the training/documentation for translate are the best next steps. This is
also
a problem on Meta-Wiki.
Removing the translate setup from the pages seems problematic as we're trying to make info available in languages beyond just English.
-greg
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On Apr 1, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Brion Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org
javascript:;> wrote:
So based on notes from Niklas on the bug, it looks like there are two
main
problems:
- VE treats <translate>...</translate> chunks as uneditable extension
blobs.
- Some/many pages use <translate>...</translate> incorrectly: spanning
paragraphs, markup level boundaries, etc.
So problem 1) can be improved in two ways: 1a) Have VE treat <translate>...</translate> as more or less like
plaintext
or a div or something 1b) Much fancier sub-document editing
Fixing problem 2) means refactoring broken pages in ways that
presumably
would require at least some of their translations to be re-created.
I don't know whether 2) is caused by problems in the translation
interface,
or by people further editing the pages without a detailed understanding
of
how the <translate> and <!--T:123--> markup bits work, or a combination
of
both.
-- brion
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Brion Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org
wrote:
On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 7:35 PM, C. Scott Ananian <
cananian@wikimedia.org javascript:;>
wrote:
Proper VE/Parsoid support for the <translate> extension has been
wanted
for a while now. It hasn't made a list of quarterly goals yet. Help
wanted,
certainly.
This is a HUGELY important dogfooding goal; we need to be able to edit
the
wiki about our own product!
Anything we can do to help out?
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