On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Terry Chay tchay@wikimedia.org wrote:
Whoa. Them's fighting words! :-D
Yeah I'm sorry if that came off as aggressive, but this entire conversation has had the air of "the VE team has decided this, but maybe they'll be gracious enough to compromise with you". Hell, even when James "changed his mind", the email was more of a "well that's what we thought as well, so we'll allow you to have this, but only under our conditions".
I assume good faith, but after the "and that would be a lie" email, it was kind of hard to maintain that assumption. Just once I'd like to see a discussion that doesn't dismiss other people's arguments and opinions.
Also, I found the VE statistics pretty interesting. :)
Erik has given a long discussion why, from an engineering perspective, a
no-op right now would add technical debt in the future and complicate the product roadmap today. [...] All of that is nearly identical to the FAQ reposted by Scott.
The only discussion of this nature was when Erik was discussing possible future features for VE. If any of those features come to fruition, then I would understand removing the user option, but right now those features do not exist.
No. I may be wrong, but I think he said what he meant to say exactly as he
said it.
It's a valid interpretation of good faith complaints about the VE rollout. E3 has a opt-out preference against experimental features. To the extent that VE is a beta product, which nobody denies, then it would behoove us to make a similar option available to VE for when VE is in "beta." That reasoning is very sound.
I'm aware that was what he meant. I was being sarcastic. Like I said before, this was along the same lines of "the VE team decides all and nobody else has a say", which is the wrong way to approach this. If we're supposed to be a community, why wouldn't the first option be to ask the community before making such changes?
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