Hmm, I can see your point. Flagged Revs would be as much of hindrances on regular users as it would be on Tor users. I still think it should be permissable for Tor editors to submit legitimate edits in some way, but your points about the AGF policy and the purpose of Flagged Revs are duly noted.
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:05:29 -0400 From: risker.wp@gmail.com To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we help Tor users make legitimate edits?
On 27 September 2013 19:40, Sumana Harihareswara sumanah@wikimedia.orgwrote:
This is a quick followup to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/323006 and partly in keeping with the anti-vandalism discussion at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/392727 as well.
On 12/27/2012 07:26 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:
TL;DR: A few ideas follow on how we could possibly help legit editors contribute from behind Tor proxies....
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- Allow more users the IP block exemption, possibly even automatically
after a certain number of unreverted edits, but with some kind of FlaggedRevs integration; Tor users can edit but their changes have to be reviewed before going live. We could combine this with (3); Nymble administrators or token-issuers could pledge to review edits coming from Tor. But that latter idea sounds like a lot of social infrastructure to set up and maintain.
From talking to Eleanor Saitta: could we do FlaggedRevs by IP space, and/or by the intersection of IPs and topic space? Basically, let people edit from Tor IPs (and/or whitelist or blacklist categories) as long as those go through a FlaggedRevs-type process? And we could also do FlaggedRevs on specific IP ranges, like blocks that are known to be certain government office buildings.
I think perhaps there's a real disconnect between what Flagged Revisions does and its purpose, as well as how widespread its use is. FR is not used on 95% of Wikimedia projects. It is attached to specific pages (or entire namespaces); it is not attached to either anonymous (IP) or registered users. You're looking for some other type of software, some form of user right if it is to be attached to specific users (either anonymous or registered) that would....do what, exactly? Require that a project's editors review every single edit from those IPs but not block them, no matter how much junk they put in a project?
And again, any such use would be specific to each project. I would be very disturbed if the WMF was to take it upon itself to start telling projects they have to accept edits from IPs and ranges they've had extremely poor experience with. AGF is not a suicide pact.
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