- *it* *doesn't* *scale* (constantly seeing a "(3)" or new emails pop up
if you're active in ~6 discussions is a pain)
OK, so how do you suggest changing it?
- _nothing_ on-wiki ever warrants an urgent reaction ever
All the community members who clamored for the return of the Orange Bar of Death seem to disagree with you.
- distracting, especially as I'm getting more active with talking
The biggest complaint we received about Echo from the community was that it was too easy to ignore.
- I'm reading an article to get more information and this piece of
software drags me back into editing while I'm merely reading something and intend to return to the watchlist in the evening
OK. What should we do about that?
- Echo a consequence of newcomers being insufficiently communicated to
(i.e. too few helpers involved talking with newcomers at big wikis, let's automate that - NO! THAT's STUPID! have it semi-automated -- the entire wiki software should be centered around a big edit box and a less prominent, but comfortable, box for leaving custom messages to articles and users talk pages)
I'm not really following what point you're trying to make about Echo here. Should we just remove it?
- Echo is a consequence of a watchlist page which many people find insufficiently informative, intuitive, or easy to control.
Yes, the watchlist page needs a total overhaul. Notifications aren't necessarily about articles though. We considered having Echo integrated into the watchlist, but this would have make the project much more complex and politically contentious. As you say below, "simplicity is the key to success".
- special:watchlist and special:notifications overlap in functionality
True, do you have a suggestion for fixing that?
- the 'notifications' tab lacks a 'watchlist' column so that I can choose
where events go (email, echo's nagging, or watchlist passively)
The first part of this sentence is true, but like I said, notifications aren't necessarily tied to articles. Also the watchlist page is already extremely cluttered. How would you suggest integrating this into the watchlist page without making it more confusing?
- the extra term ('notifications') is clutter
I have no idea what you're referring to here. The preferences tab?
- please consider improving usability of the watchlist and integrating any
echo fields into it
- and make watchlist easier to manage
- integrate these two tools together
- echo is really conceptually merely a new channel where to pipe watchlist
items
We discussed this particular strategy quite extensively, but decided against it for reasons mentioned previously: much bigger project scope, politically contentious, not all notifications are about articles.
- simplicity is the key to success
Totally agree with that.
Ryan Kaldari
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 10:20 PM, svetlana svetlana@fastmail.com.au wrote:
Hi,
Bartosz Dziewoński wrote:
tl;dr
-- Matma Rex
I tried for about an hour to summarize a concern. Can you truly not take a couple minutes to /read/ ?
svetlana
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