Anthony schrieb:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Andrew Garrett andrew@werdn.us wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:21 PM, K. Peachey p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Currently all data, including private data, is replicated to the toolserver. We could not do this with a third-party server.
My understanding is that the the toolserver(/s) are owned by the german chapter and not by wikimedia directly so why is private data being replicated onto them?
Because it was chosen as the best technical solution. Is there a specific problem with private data being on the toolserver? If so, what?
You should be aware that toolserver roots are approved by the foundation before becoming roots.
You answer the questions in your first paragraph with your sentence in the second. Think Cathedral vs. Bazaar.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Daniel Kinzler daniel@brightbyte.dewrote: Robert Rohde schrieb: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Andrew Garrett andrew@werdn.us wrote: Logistically it would be nice to have a means of providing an exclusively public data replica for purposes such as research, though I can certainly see how that could get technically messy.
As far as I know, there is simply no efficient way to do this currently.
How much information does the live feed provide? Every revision, or just a subset of revisions? How much would it cost the WMF to provide a single near-live stream of every revision?
A feed service for all revisions is available, see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_update_feed_service. Search engines like to use it (think: answers.com) and they are made to pay for it. Researches should generally get it for free. Just ask brion.
This doesn provide notifications in the range of seconds (which might bee needed for vandal-fighting tools), but should be quite sufficient to keep a text database up to date. For real-time notifications, the only decent method is the RC feed on IRC, but that's hard to parse and messages frequently get truncated.
Having better means for distributing notifications of changes is something i'm quite interested in. XMPP would be a very good choice, I think, I wrote about it a while ago here: http://brightbyte.de/page/RecentChanges_via_Jabber. I did not write about including full revision text or diffs in the notifications, but that's sure possible. It may be a bit too heavy for a general purpose feed, but it would be feasible wehen using PubSub, I think. Anyway, getting this implemented would be nice. If anyone has time and/or money he could commit towards this, that would be excellent :)
-- daniel