On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams < kwwilliams@kwwilliams.com> wrote:
Subramanya Sastry schreef op 2015/06/20 om 10:49:
On 06/20/2015 11:45 AM, Arlo Breault wrote:
On Friday, June 19, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
There may be more - I'm still looking for these.
I was reading the discussion on gradually enabling VE for new accounts [3] and Kww writes there,
"Further, we still have issues with stray nowiki tags being scattered across articles. Until those are addressed, the notion that VE doesn't cause extra work for experienced editors is simply a sign that the metrics used to analyze effort were wrong. Jdforrester, can you explain how a study that was intended to measure whether VE caused extra work failed to note that even with the current limited use, it corrupts articles at this kind of volume [4]? Why would we want to encourage such a thing?”
Makes me sad.
User:Whatamidoing (WMF) (Sherry Snyder) has noted there that User:Kww might have been confused by the fact that the filter includes nowikis added by editors during normal wikitext editing ( see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53421 ). In reality, the number of nowikis from VE edits are a minor fraction of the nowiki entries there (which I verified a couple days back by clicking through to the diffs in the AbuseLog), and the couple of sources of those nowiki insertions might have already been fixed as noted earlier in this thread.
All that said, yes, we do want to and will continue fixing any sources of nowikis that Parsoid is introducing.
Last I looked, the edits from Visual Editor were still a trivially small percentage of edits, much smaller than the "minor fraction" noted here. Where is the actual percentage tracked these days? KWW
Hi Kww.
Re: the metrics are at pages such as http://ee-dashboard.wmflabs.org/dashboards/enwiki-metrics for Enwiki, and similar for some of the other larger Wikipedias (De, Es, Fr, He, It, Nl, Pl, Pt, Ru, Sv).
Re: the various types of nowiki: As far as I know, the quickest way to find out how many nowiki tags are introduced by VE is actually checking the log of recent edits made with VE,[1] and looking for the nowiki tag on it. However, this still doesn’t tell us whether the nowiki tag is the result of a bug, if it’s a relic of a nowiki bug which is actually fixed but still occurring due to cache issues (e.g. phab:T68628), if it was introduced manually by the user either by typing it (ignoring a warning) or by copy/pasting wikitext in VE, or whether it was correctly added [2], etc.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?namespace=&tagfilter=visualeditor&a...
[2] See e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beauty_and_the_Beast_%28Disney_so...
Hope that helps, Quiddity / Nick