On 11/13/11 6:46 PM, Platonides wrote:
On 13/11/11 01:44, William Allen Simpson wrote:
On 11/12/11 6:45 PM, Platonides wrote:
When users get a message on their commons talk page, they will receive an email informing of that.
In my personal experience, that's only true for the *first* message. If you don't check Talk after that, then you don't get any more emails.
In my case, the first message was a welcome. I didn't need to see the welcome. My guess is other more casual users don't bother either, so they won't see any deletion messages.
How did you know it was a welcome message? And why were you so sure that you didn't need to read it (you know, that welcome message actually includes useful information) and it was ok to ignore its content and further ones?
As an example, back in July 2009, my first Talk email (from meta) was rather obviously a Welcome message:
# This is a new page. # # Editor's summary: Welcome! #
When my Talk email showed up from trwiki in August 2009, I'm only guessing it was a welcome message:
$ Yeni bir sayfa. $ $ Açıklaması: Vikipedi'ye hoş geldiniz! $ I could be wrong. I'm also pretty sure I could not read it for that "useful information." :-)
The email notifications were enabled on enwiki more recently in May 2011 (according to its footer/signature section). I don't know about commons, as the footer doesn't say.
What commons (and meta) do say in the body (different from enwiki):
# There will be no other notifications in case of further changes unless # you visit this page. # You could also reset the notification flags for all your watched pages # on your watchlist. #
That's the reason we need a special flag to override.
What mechanism would be best?
I suggested there be a special flag to force the sending of a message. AFAICT, that's also the gist of jeblad's:
Add a magic word to enforce "enotif" on specific templates and the whole process shold be a lot more easy to handle than today. [sic]I'm also suggesting we add phone numbers and SMS. Although I live on email, I've found the younger set live on their phones a bit more than we expected designing SMS long ago.
I think with smartphones the trend is now getting things on the phone from the internet. Still, I don't oppose giving the option to send a sms on each talk page. Specially if you volunteer to pay that :) Doesn't seem too bad for commons: 600 talk page messages/day*. I would have expected something like the 9217 on enwiki.
- Not really averaged, just today values: select count(*) from revision join page on (rev_page=page_id) where
page_namespace =2 and rev_timestamp LIKE '20111113%';
Hey, that could be "unlimited" texting for only $9.99 per month. ;-)
That requires that they provided an email address on registration (it's optional) and verified it (really easy). Also, they shouldn't have the preference disabled (I think it has been on by default for new users since several years).
An email that pages have changed would be good. Wikia sends it weekly.
That would be email notification for all watchlist items. The load produced by enabling such option could be pondered.
Sure, but the old default was to add each page you created to your watch list. My guess is there are few folks with massive watchlists.
If it wasn't on by default, those people you are defending wouldn't have those pages on their watchlist.
True. And the deletionists would still assume the lack of response meant they were vandals.
Note they can also subscribe to an RSS feed of their watchlist (this probably needs more publcity).
Yeah, I'd never heard of it.
Ideas on where to publicise that are welcome. The first location I think is to add that somewhere on that welcome message you didn't read... :\