The fact that no one has even tried improving the conflict issue in simplest way possible for years now is even something a bit strange. On Nov 8, 2014 10:01 PM, "Brian Wolff" bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
Honestly i dont think anyone's even tried to improve the conflict screen. There's probably a lot of low hanging fruit on the usability of edit conflicts which could be persued that have nothing to do with the hard, real time editing solutions (as cool as those are).
If someone is intrested in trying to improve edit conflicts, id reccomend starting with: *only showing relavent parts. If your conflict is in a section, and you were doing a section edit, dont ask user to resolve entire page (this is particularly painful on VP type pages). Furthermore: find some way to present only the conflicted lines (ie what conflict markers show in a source control system) in a user friendly way.
*better conflict resolution algorithms. This would require experimentation, but im sure there exists something better for merging natural language documents than just shoving it to gnu diff3. Perhaps even just adding a newline after every sentence (period) so that it merges on a more fine grained level would be appropriate. I imagine there must be papers written on this subject we could look to for advice.
I'm unfamilar with what wordpress does for this. Do you have a link describing its process?
--bawolff On Nov 8, 2014 4:31 PM, "Nkansah Rexford" nkansahrexford@gmail.com wrote:
One session I really looked forward to at the Wikimania was the one on Visual Editor and the talk on RealTime Editing (the one presented by
Erik).
Of course, I enjoyed, seeing some of the nice future goals of how
realtime
editing could be possible, however with very strong huddles to overcome.
One slide pointed out the number of edit conflicts that happened in the month of July only: https://plus.google.com/107174506890941499078/posts/NCPzu4G5cbP
There were *120k edit conflicts of about 23k registered user accounts* (anonymous conflicts might be higher or around this same value, or even less)
The proposals and design concepts of how the concurrent editing could be
on
Wikimedia projects were/are nice to see, and very hi-tech. However, I considered these proposals and design concepts to be far fetched, at
least,
at least, looking at how pressing the issue of edit conflicts are.
I might be the only person that suffers from that problem, thus I ask about. The simple solution to edit conflict in my own opinion isn't that complex, as at least, there's a living example of how it could be.
The WordPress* way of resolving edit conflicts, for me, at this point in time, will look more promising and do much better than the highly
advanced
concepts that were presented, which are not even near to realization, at least for the next 5 years.
Until those concepts presented are completed, how many more edit
conflicts
should be suffered? Losing lots (or even a line of edit) of edits because of editing conflict isn't something to take easily, at least when one has limited time and resources, but voluntarily decided to add content to an article.
rexford
**I'm no wordpress dev, neither have I ever even done coding in php. I mention the wordpress here because, as someone who uses wordpress a lot, and have seen how its editing conflict has been, in a typical way, resolved, I find it impressive, and think Wikipedia of all websites,
should
have implement that approach long time ago, if not just after wordpress
did
it.* On Aug 9, 2014 11:58 AM, "Pine W" <wiki.pine@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wiki.pine@gmail.com');> wrote:
Rexford, it happens that there are 2 Wikimania sessions about
concurrent
editing starting at 17:00 today in Auditorum I.
Pine On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Quim Gil <qgil@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','qgil@wikimedia.org');> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wiki.pine@gmail.com');> wrote:
I am asking Quim to provide us an update.
Me? :) I'm just an editor who, like many of you, has suffered this
problem
occasionally.
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:02 AM, rupert THURNER <
rupert.thurner@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rupert.thurner@gmail.com');>
wrote:
that would be a hullarious feature! which is btw available in some
other
opensoure and proprietory wikis.
TWiki is an open source wiki and also has (had?) a concept of
blocking a
page while someone else is editing. This feature might sound less
than
ideal in the context of, say, Wikipedia when a new Pope is being
nominated,
but I can see how many editors and MediaWiki adminis have missed such feature at some point.
If I understood correctly, VisualEditor already represents an
improvement
vs Wikitext because the chances of triggering conflicting edits are smaller, because of the way the actual content is modified and
updated in
every edit.
i'd have strong doubts here, from a technical standpoint :)
Rupert, in any case you see that the trend is going in the direction
of
being more efficient handling concurrent edits. Blocking pages while another editor supposedly is working on them might work in e.g.
corporate
wikis where most f the times the Edit link is clicked for a reason,
but
it
could be potentially counterproductive in sites like Wikipedia.
i can only 100% agree, quim, and i am glad you help clarifying the feature request in this direction. the suggestion is "notify" or "show", not "block". if a user presses edit, the page shows other persons who pressed edit in the last, say 15 minutes, and did not save yet. it sounds simple to implement, but big benefit, especially with many users. an additional goodie could be to show it on the edit window of other user as well, so she can quickly save. if a user ignores the notification and is quicker in saving, we have the current situation. additionally these "in work" templates would be made superfluous in many cases.
rupert
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