hi Gregory, thank you for your imput,
2005/12/12, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com:
On 12/12/05, effeietsanders-list effeietsanders.l@gmail.com wrote:
The WikiMusic wiki has to *allow for growth*. Not just for experts, but rather also for people with little knowledge of the software. Lilypondhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_LilyPondis at the moment still too difficult, too technical, for this purpose. Maybe there are possibilities to make it easier to enter scores into a Wiki.
Maybe
it is possible to integrate some kind of keyboard (java applet) in the software, and have the software rewrite it into Lilypond-like formats. Perhaps a (java) applet to drag and drop the notes into the score can be developed, so a full score can be reproduced in a Wiki. And that such
will
be transcribed into the Lilypond format automatically is our dream.
Saying Lilypond is hard is like saying wikitext is hard. Lilypond is just one step above ABC and much more expressive, anything else would not be sufficient to produce and maintain a professional quality score.
I'm not convinced.
In short: I want not only "proffessionals" to add their information, but also people with little knowledge of music. This is very hard with Lilypond. Please take a look into http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/talk:Wikimusic_II for further discussion we already had.
WikiMusic must, last but not least, be *able to survive*. Not only with its
envisioned community, but also with a protection from vandals. It may
prove
to be be hard to maintain the usual wiki-way here. Some brainstorming
about
this issue needs to be done. How can vandals be checked best, by a mere possibility of *listening to the differences* perhaps?
Most people qualified to edit such work would be able to visually qualify such changes.. How could you expect to help out if you can't read music? For such a project all changes should be clearly explained. I don't see the problem with regular wiki procedures.
If there come a lot of edits, it'll be hard to determine if a edit is okey or not. I'm not saying it has to be done the way I mentioned, but that we have to think about it.
You can help with this! Today a proposal is posted on meta
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects#Wikimusic_II and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimusic_II), and there are still a
lot
of technical issues to be solved.
It is almost always mistake to ever think that technical issues are nearly as big as social or resource issues or to think that good technical decisions can solve problems of those sort.
There is already a great public domain score site, Mutopia. Tell us why what you propose would be worth anyones time when mutopia already exists?
There are even more small projects on the web, and the few I found, probably not even 10 % of them, don't have the infrastucture I would like to see in a wikimusic-like project. For example, they seem to have no talkpages, they seem to have no recent changes, they seem to have no "real music" files. They don't have possibilities for entering musin in an easy way as well, nor a way to find the music you search, as a non-musician.
I just hope so much that the music will no longer be limited to a small group of people, that everybody can enjoy it. I hope so much that if I have a tune in my head, and I want to find out whitch one it is, how it is calles, and who composed it, I can easely find it. Through a WikiMusic.
I really recommend you to take a look at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/talk:Wikimusic_II , because some of the things you mentioned are already discussed over there. (As well as some legal issues). If you think there might be some problems, please add them.
greetings, Effeietsanders