Hi everyone,
One more thing - should I create a new thread to discuss on prototyping my project (entity suggester) and to discuss any issues I'm facing along the way or ask for help? Or should I just stick to this old thread?
Cheers, Nilesh
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Nilesh Chakraborty nilesh@nileshc.comwrote:
Thanks for the help, Katie. I'll be looking into how Solr has been integrated with the GeoData extension. About wikidata-vagrant, no problem, I'll install it by following this pagehttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase .
You're right, raw DB access can be painful and I'd need to rewrite a lot of code. I'm considering two options:
*i)* Using the database-related code in the wikidata extension (I'm studying the DataModel classes and how they interact with the database) to fetch what I need and feed them into the recommendation engine.
*ii)* Not accessing the DB at all. Rather, I can write map-reduce scripts to extract all the training data and everything I need for each Item from the wikidatawiki data dump and feed it into the recommendation engine. I can use a cron job to download the latest data dump when available, and run the scripts on it. I don't think it would be an issue even if the engine lags by the interval the dumps are generated in, since the whole recommendation thing is all about approximations.
My request to the devs, the community - please discuss the pros and cons of each method and suggest which one you think would be the best, mainly in terms of performance. I personally feel that option (ii) would be cleaner.
Cheers, Nilesh
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM, aude aude.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Nilesh Chakraborty <nilesh@nileshc.com
wrote:
Hi Lydia,
I am currently drafting my proposal, I shall submit within a few hours
once
the initial version is complete.
I installed mediawiki-vagrant on my PC and it went quite smoothly. I
could
do all the usual things through the browser; I logged into the mysql
server
to examine the database schema.
I also began to clone the wikidata-vagranthttps://github.com/SilkeMeyer/wikidata-vagrant repo. But it seems that the 'git submodule update --init' part would take a
long
time - if I'm not mistaken, it's a huge download (excluding the vagrant
up
command, which alone takes around 1.25 hours to download everything). I wanted to clarify something before downloading it all.
Since the entity suggester will be working with wikidata, it'll
obviously
need to access the whole live dataset from the database (not the xml
dump)
to make the recommendations. I tried searching for database access APIs
or
high-level REST APIs for wikidata, but couldn't figure out how I to do that. Could you point me to the proper documentation?
One of the best examples of a MediaWiki extension interacting with a Java service is how Solr is used. Solr is still pretty new at Wikimedia, though. It is used with the GeoData extension and then Solr is used by geodata api modules.
I think Solr gets updated via a cronjob (solrupdate.php) which creates jobs in the job queue. Not 100% sure of the exact details.
I do not think direct access to the live database is very practical. I think anyway the data (json blobs) would need indexing in some particular way to support what the entity selector needs to do.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GeoData
The Translate extension also uses Solr in some way, though I am not very familiar with the details.
On the operations side, puppet is used to configure everything. The puppet git repo is available to see how things are done.
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=operations/puppet.git;a=tree;f=modul...
And also, what is the best way to add a few .jar files to wikidata and execute them with custom commands (nohup java blah.jar --blah blah --> running as daemons)? I can of course set it up on my development box
inside
virtualbox - I want to know how to "integrate" it into the system so
that
any other user can download vagrant and wikidata and have the jars all ready and running? What is the proper development workflow for this?
wikidata-vagrant is maintained in github, though I think might not work perfectly right now. We need to update it and it's on our to-do, and perhaps could be moved to gerrit. I do not know about integrating the jars, but should be possible.
Cheers, Katie Filbert
[answering from this email, as I am not subscribed to wikitech-l on my wikimedia.de email]
Thanks, Nilesh
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 3:01 AM, Nilesh Chakraborty <nilesh@nileshc.com
wrote:
Awesome. Got it.
I see what you mean, great, thank you. :)
Cheers, Nilesh On Apr 28, 2013 2:56 AM, "Lydia Pintscher" <
lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de
wrote:
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Nilesh Chakraborty <
nilesh@nileshc.com>
wrote:
Hi Lydia,
That helps a lot, and makes it way more interesting. Rather than
being a
one-size-fits-all solution, as it seems to me, each property or
each
type
of property (eg. different relationships) will need individual
attention
and different methods/metrics for recommendation.
The examples you gave, like continents, sex, relations like
father/son,
uncle/aunt/spouse, or place-oriented properties like place of
birth,
country of citizenship, ethnic group etc. - each type has a certain
pattern
to it (if a person was born in the US, US should be one of the
countries he
was a citizen of; US census/ethnicity statistics may be used to
predict
ethnic group etc.) I'm already starting to chalk out a few patterns
and
how
they can be used for recommendation. In my proposal, should I go
into
details regarding these? Or should I just give a few examples and
explain
how the algorithms would work, to explain the idea?
Give some examples and how you'd handle them. You definitely don't need to have it for all properties. What's important is giving an
idea
about how you'd tackle the problem. Give the reader the impression that you know what you are talking about and can handle the larger problem.
Also: Don't make the system too intelligent like it knowing about US census data for example. Keep it simple and stupid for now. Things like "property A is usually used with value X, Y or Z" should cover a lot already and are likely enough for most cases.
Cheers Lydia
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