On 23/07/13 04:36, Erik Moeller wrote:
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerromeo@gmail.com wrote:
Seriously, though, I understand why the VE team might want to force everybody to use VE
That's a misrepresentation of the facts. We're not talking about "forcing people to use VE". We're talking about whether there should be a preference to hide all aspects of VE from the user interface.
No, we're talking about whether the preference to hide all aspects of VE should be in the "gadgets" tab or the "editing" tab.
We're also talking about whether that preference should be technically consistent across all wikis, or whether it should be done in a wiki-specific manner.
If the preference was consistent across all wikis, then we could easily do statistics on its use. If, in a year or so, we feel that the users who disabled VE should reconsider it, we could send them a message or display a popup. It's also possible to do this with gadget preferences, just more difficult.
Now that the gadget is in place and widely used, I can't really believe that this is about encouraging the use of VE. To me, it looks like a token gesture by WMF demonstrating support for VE, but without any perceivable impact aside from angering VE's detractors. It's a foot in the ground; a position taken. It's a message to the old guard that their opinions will be ignored. As such, it's not surprising that the old guard are upset.
If it was up to me, I would try to win them over with awesome features, rather than prod them with a stick.
-- Tim Starling