Erik Moeller wrote:
Rotem-
More things: I would like to remove:
- "Main page", "Recent changes", "Edit this page", "Previous versions"
from both the top and bottom (Which also contains "What links here" and "Related changes" to remove) -- Simply redundant and confusing, this is not good website design, I mean, links should be single and clear, otherwise it's confusing and cluttered.
Untrue. Redundant links are helpful in navigation because they reduce the average mouse path and increase visibility of important elements. Inconsistency across wikis in this area is a very bad thing, and I strongly discourage you from specifically altering the Hebrew Wiki to that effect.
If you wish to change our defaults, then suggest the changes to the defaults. But if your arguments are correct, they should be applicable to all wikis, so don't try to take a shortcut by sneaking in your favorite changes on "your" wiki. It's bad enough that Esperanto uses a different skin by default, making it look entirely different from all other wikis. And we should have a single international logo for all Wikipedias. This is one project, after all.
Making links non-underlined by default is fine with me, there is, however, some strong opposition to such a change.
Regards,
Erik
Please, I would not like to argue about something silly as this, my arguments are nor "correct" nor "incorrect", I was just trying to make small improvements to the HTML layout to make it more simpler and easier for users to use. If they won't like it it would have been reverted to the previous version.
As for trying to "sneak" things in, I thought different language versions gets autonomy regarding decisions like this. And since I worked a lot on the language file, I saw that it was pretty easy to change things on PHP to make the site more easier to use, and that's not a bad thing.
Making every little decision and improvement on the wiki code a project-wide issue for 40+ wikis is just beurocratic as hell. I have many ideas and I know a bit of PHP. If the users (that actually use that wiki) want a feature, bug fix, or a change on wiki X, why not just let them have it? what's the big deal? If you use the hebrew wiki and don't like this and that feature just say it, otherwise, that shouldn't interest you.
I think that reagardless of geographical, national etc. differences on wiki users demographies (that I think has nothing to do with anything here anyway). he.wikipedia.org is a complete, (almost) independent site, that has its users and readers, they should be the ones who vote for decisions related to their site, including policy, wiki code, layout, licensing and logo. Just because the english wiki has 15,000 registered users, and the hebrew wiki has 30 should not matter because those 30 or so *are* the ones who work on it and they know what they like or don't like on their site.
--Rotem