On 26 Sep 2004, at 17:44, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
- Not everyone discusses on wikien and en:wikipedia.
Yes, however it was announced:
- On the main mailing list
- On the Village Pump
- On the community portal
- If such a consensus does not result in some good explanations on how
to use .ogg files it is empty talk.
I have already pointed you to Wikipeda:Sound, read especially http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sound#Ogg_playback for instructions on how to playback Ogg Vorbis files and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sound#Ogg_encoding for how to encode them, does this explanation not suffice you?
Gerard's complaints and your response really reminded me of this:
Yes, true, you and me can easily take the info on Wikipedia:Sound and get ready to roll, but A LOT of users will be stumped with this task.
'''Think like a user.'''
And think like Joe Random User (NOT Joe Random Developer) who's skillset encompasses browsing the Wikipedia, clicking an edit button and typing.
I acknowledge that I ''should'' ideally try to improve that page myself, but I'm put off by two things: 1. As things are currently set up it's far from clear that Joe will even find that page. I reckon template and/or markup changes are required to make this more digestable to Joe. 2. I don't have the best oversight of all things .ogg as I'm still mostly ignoring it. (I correctly configured my box to play ogg just yesterday, in response to this thread.) So there are better people than me to clear this one up.
HOWEVER: The fact that we're even having this conversation proves Gerard's and my point that things are still just not good enough. Pointing out that fact IS in itself a constructive step forward.
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