On Apr 10, 2005 8:38 AM, GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
- What's the hostname of the mail server?
pop.gmail.com
Note that this is an *incoming* mail-server. Your client will be sending mail *out* through a different server, which I'm guessing is the one provided by your ISP or some other server you use to connect.
Meanwhile, on Apr 10, 2005 1:45 PM, David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au wrote:
I can't send mail as being from dgerard@gmail.com or fun@thingy.apana.org.au through my copy of Thunderbird, which is sending mail through mail.zen.co.uk .
Aha, that could be the problem - note that GMail's instructions refer to you using smtp.gmail.com (http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13285 step 10 onwards).
First thought: has someone set up SPF on the Wikimedia servers?
That would make sense, because GMail does publish an SPF record, and you are sending through the "wrong" server. The "correct" way round that (according to SPF advocates) is to set up multiple SMTP servers in your mail-client - if Thunderbird's interface is similar enough to the one in Mozilla-MailNews, you'll need to click "Advanced..." under "Outgoing Server" to add it, and then again under the "Server Settings" page of your GMail account settings to use it.
To digress somewhat: As you may have noticed in the last paragraph, I don't count myself as an advocate of SPF - it's heart is in the right place, but it seems to break as many legitimate "tricks" of the e-mail system as genuine abuses. I had to argue with my ISP for a couple of weeks to stop them silently rejecting messages forwarded through a private domain (yes, I should really be telling the forwarder to change, but SRS looks even uglier to me).
Anyway, suffice to say that if someone *has* set up an SPF filter on the Wikimedia servers, I wonder if it should be set to be less strict, at least until such a time as more/most people have unbroken the things SPF breaks.
[On a really technical note, GMail's SPF record seems to define "everything else" as "neutral" not "fail"; it seems odd to me that this should result in such stern rejections but I guess I don't really know the mechanics - "v=spf1 a:mproxy.gmail.com a:rproxy.gmail.com a:wproxy.gmail.com a:zproxy.gmail.com a:nproxy.gmail.com ?all"]
[Now it will probably turn out to be something completely unrelated, and I'll look like a right ninny for ranting on. Ah, well...]