"Nathan Larson" wrote in message news:CAF-JeUxsM-jQ85nij+OALA=rLOLNPPMHx7yHka1_Hiz7m0A32w@mail.gmail.com...
Why is it worth the trouble of maintaining two separate lists? Do the Wikimedia-specific interwiki prefixes get in people's way, e.g. when they're reading through the interwiki list and encounter what is, to them, useless clutter?
I can't say I care about people reading through the interwiki list. It's just that with the one interwiki map, we are projecting "our" internal interwikis, like strategy:, foundation:, sulutil:, wmch: onto external MediaWiki installations. No-one needs these prefixes except WMF wikis, and having these in the global map makes MediaWiki look too WMF-centric.
Sometimes I do use those Wikimedia-specific prefixes on third-party wikis (e.g. if I'm talking about MediaWiki development issues)
This is a good argument to include gerrit:, rev:, mediazilla: etc. on the global interwiki map.
and they might also end up getting used if people import content from Wikimedia wikis.
They're mainly used in meta-discussions, so I doubt this is a concern.
People will say we should keep those interwikis for historical reasons. So, I think we should have a bot ready to go through the various wikis and make edits converting those interwiki links to regular links. We should make this tool available to the third-party wikis too. Perhaps it could be a maintenance script.
Amen to this. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60135
Can we come up with numerical cutoffs for what count as "well-established", "active", and "very commonly linked to", so that people know what to expect before they put a proposal forth, or will it be like notability debates, and come down to people's individual opinions of what should count as "very commonly linked to" (as well as a certain amount of ILIKEIThttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_in_deletion_discussions#I_like_itand IDONTLIKEIT, even if users deny that's the basis for their decision)? We might get the help of WikiIndex and (especially) WikiApiary in getting the necessary statistics.
I don't see the need for instruction creep here. I'm for an inclusive interwiki map. Inactive wikis (e.g. RecentChanges shows only sporadic non-spam edits) and non-established wikis (e.g. AllPages shows little content) should be excluded. So far, there have been no issues with using subjective criteria at meta:Talk:Interwiki map.
It's okay, it's a complicated subject with a lot of tricky implementation decisions that need to be made (which is probably part of why it's been neglected). Thanks for taking the time to do a thorough analysis.
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