Admin assistance is definitely an interesting use case… there is also the possibility of including incorporating ORES scores to see what changes are actually good or not.
Since the API is primarily based off of edits, it isn’t too surprising that a contributor / admin use case may be a better fit here. So the Trending may yet have another life as a tool for administrators. It is definitely something to test out to see if it is useful…
As Jon said, the Cloud VPS version may not be as reliable as Kafka, but hopefully it is enough to evaluate this type of use… and maybe, as others have mentioned, a good reason to get production Kafka events flowing into Cloud VPS backed projects.
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 3:27 PM Jonathan Morgan jmorgan@wikimedia.org wrote:
FWIW, I did the research comparing Trending edits to top pageviews, and I *also* think Trending edits is a promising tool and am glad to hear that it going forward in some fashion even if it's being pulled from production (for now?). I hope we can continue to develop the model, and I'm confident that we will find valuable use cases for it.
- J
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
(Volunteer hat on)
I'm a little sad we didn't find a place for this in the Wikipedia apps or web products, but I plan to maintain a labs instance going forward: https://wikipedia-trending.wmflabs.org/ And a web presentation with a push notification feature (which notified be this morning of the death of Ed Lee https://trending.wmflabs.org/en.wikipedia/Ed%20Lee%20(politician)): https://trending.wmflabs.org/
This is a little inferior to the production version as it is unable to use production kafka and if it has any outages it will lose data.
I'm hoping to get this onto IFTTT https://ifttt.com/wikipedia with help from Stephen Laporte in my volunteer time, as I think this feature is a pretty powerful one which has failed to find its use case in the wiki world. As Kaldari points out it's incredibly good at detecting edit wars and I personally have learned a lot about what our editors see as important and notable in the world (our editors really seem to like wrestling). I think there are ample and exciting things people could build on top of this api.
The gadget script is crude (as there is no way to install a service worker via a user script) but will continue to work if you want to try it (but Firefox only) - I just updated it to use the new endpoint.
I will continue to explore trending's place in the Wikimedia universe :)
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 at 10:43 Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
One interesting thing that I noticed about the trending edits API is
that
it was fairly useful in identifying articles that were under attack by vandals or experiencing an edit war. A lot of times a vandal will just
sit
on an article and keep reverting back to the vandalized version until an admin shows up, which can sometimes take a while. If you tweak the parameters passed to the API, you can almost get it to show nothing but edit wars (high number of edits, low number of editors).
This makes me think that this API is actually useful, it's just
targeted to
the wrong use case. If we built something similar, but that just looked
for
high numbers of revert/undos (rather than edits), and combined it with something like Jon Robson's trending edits user script ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jdlrobson/Gadget-trending-edits.js),
we
could create a really powerful tool for Wikipedia administrators to identify problems without having to wait for them to be reported at
AN/I or
AIV.
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 7:25 AM, Corey Floyd cfloyd@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Just a reminder that this is happening this Thursday. Please update
any
tools you have before then. Thanks!
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 3:30 PM Corey Floyd cfloyd@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hi all,
The experimental Trending Service[1] will be sunset on December
14th,
We initially deployed this service to evaluate some real time
features
in
the mobile apps centered on delivering more timely information to
users.
After some research [2], we found that it did not perform well with
users
in that use case.
At this point there are no further plans to integrate the service
into
our
products and so we are going to sunset the service to reduce the maintenance burden for some of our teams.
We are going to do this more quickly than we would for a full stable production API as the usage of the end point is extremely low and
mostly
from our own internal projects. If you this adversely affects any of
your
work or you have any other concerns, please let the myself or the
Reading
Infrastructure team know.
Thanks to all the teams involved with developing, deploying,
researching
and maintaining this service.
P.S. This service was based off of prototypes Jon Robson had
developed
for
detecting trending articles. He will be continuing his work in this
area. I
encourage you to reach out to him if you were interested in this
project.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/#!/Feed/trendingEdits [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Comparing_most_
read_and_trending_edits_for_Top_Articles_feature
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