Trevor Parscal wrote:
On 10/12/10 10:29 PM, Ryan Lane wrote:
The only response I've gotten so far is "merge into core", which is an interesting response, but does not resolve the issue at hand, which is, until we do so (assuming we do at some point after 1.17), what should this extension be named?
I'm not defending the current name any more than stating it's my preference. I'm not only open to naming it something else, but I'm asking for input on what to name it.
Some people are being somewhat combatant or getting tangential in their responses - fine, basically what I expect form this list - but I'm still very interested in responses to do with my original question, "should we rename it, and if so, what should we name it?".
Please, please, don't rename it again. Every time the name changes things break. They break for us, they break for third parties using SVN, and it breaks our ability to easily support the extensions when people ask for help.
Leave the name alone, and merge it into core as soon as possible.
+1... sounds very reasonable to me.
I contribute to MediaWiki development mostly through the #mediawiki IRC channel, answering simple questions that users have when they're trying to install or use MediaWiki. Being the most popular MediaWiki installation in the world, people often want to emulate features that they see on Wikipedia.
My frustration from this thread (and from the code review comments) is that you're creating a mess. And you're doing it for the second time.
There was already a skin named "Vector" and a sub-extension named "UsabilityInitiative/Vector". This caused a lot of confusion for a lot of people. It caused confusion when users asked questions and it caused confusion when their questions were answered.
You've now introduced a third concept, a separate extension, called "Vector". Instead of saying "just install MediaWiki and you'll have the basic tools you need," we now have to say "well, MediaWiki comes with the Vector skin, but there's also 'UsabilityInitiative/Vector' and 'Vector' (the extension just called 'Vector') that you may or may not need to install based on the version of MediaWiki you're running."
You don't answer these questions (or any support questions). That's fine, nobody's asking you to. But I do. And in my mind, you're needlessly adding a lot of confusion to what's already not the simplest installation process in the world. And even worse in my mind, you're making the _exact same mistake_ that you've already made. So when you've moved on to other projects, I'll still be trying to explain to new MediaWiki users what the difference is between all of these different concepts called "Vector".
It's bad enough to create a giant mess that everyone else is forced to live with, but please don't waste people's time with discussion for the sake of saying you had a discussion. From your responses to this mailing list thread, it's pretty clear that come hell or high water, you're not going to revert yourself. In the time you've spent discussing this, you could have _easily_ merged this into core and moved on.
I realize you don't respect me and my opinions, but what's absolutely mind-boggling is that plenty of people who you should respect have said the exact same thing as me, and you're still turning a deaf ear. I think your views and actions here are a showcase of the general current Wikimedia Foundation staff approach and attitude toward the community. I don't see how this approach and attitude is in any way acceptable, but I do see how, if it continues, it will ultimately kill the community behind these community-driven projects.
MZMcBride