On 5/29/08, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
Anon Sricharoenchai wrote:
Hi,
- Why still we let the SUL to auto select the homewiki in Special:MergeAccount?
The "home wiki" is a concept used by SUL to improve the chances that the most active user of an account name will obtain the global account for that name. If the passwords don't match, only the user who has access to the home wiki will be allowed to merge.
After merge, the home wiki has no significance and is not displayed publically.
The most active user on only one wiki doesn't mean that he deserve to get global account. The main objective of global account is to benefit the user that have accounts on many wikis. (Am I correct?) If Mr.A (see below) spread out his activeness across many wikis, comparing to Mr.B (see below) that only active on only one wiki, Mr.A will lose global account to Mr.B, since the activeness of Mr.A is divided into many wikis, while Mr.B focus only on one wiki, then win the edits count. Do you think that Mr.A will get more benefit from global account than Mr.B?
- Why not we let the wiki that do Special:MergeAccount as homewiki?
Example, Assuming that it has user test123@testwiki (1000 edit counts) and test123@lowikibooks (500 edit counts)
- If test123 do merge account at,
http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MergeAccount, then testwiki will be homewiki.
- If test123 do merge account at,
http://lo.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:MergeAccount, then lowikibooks will be homewiki.
We don't do this because it would defeat the purpose of having a home wiki.
The purpose of home wiki is to estimate the activeness?
Trying to do http://lo.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:MergeAccount by user test123, is also the evidence that test123@lo.wikibooks is an active account.
- Why not prohibit creation of existing account that have not yet
been merged on any wikis? Example,
- Before SUL, if have test123 created on http://lo.wikipedia.org
- test123@lowiki has not been merged on any wikis.
- After SUL, should immediately prohibit the creation of test123
account on any WM wikis. (even that test123 has not yet been merged to SUL)
This is already the case, but we have had some reports that this protection sporadically stops working. If this is true, it should be fixed soon.
You mean that this is a bug? The real intention is to also block account creation of unmerged username?
My experience is that, 1. I have tried create new account named testwiki.test@testwiki 2. While there's no user named testwiki.test on any other wikis, why I'm not automatically get the global account for testwiki.test? 3. Why I still can create new account testwiki.test on lowiki?
The next case, 1. User testxyz already exists on enwiki before SUL, http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=testxyz 2. After SUL, testxyz have not yet been merged. 3. However, why I still can create new account testxyz on enwikibooks?
The above two cases is a bug?
- Considering the following situation,
- Mr.A own "user123" at,
- testwiki,meta,common,mediawiki: 100,500,500,500 edits count
- enwikipedia,enwikibooks,enwikitionary,enwikisource,enwikinews:
100,100,100,100,100 edits count * lowikipedia,lowikibooks,lowiktionary,lowikisource,lowikinews: 500,100,100,100,100 edits count * totally, Mr.A has 3000 edits count 2. Mr.B own "user123" only at frwikipedia with 2000 edits count 3. When Mr.A use user123 on lowikipedia, and do http://lowikipedia/Special:MergeAccount, what will be the homewiki of user123? 4. Mr.A can successfully merge account? 5. If homewiki determined by the system is user123@frwikipedia, then what thing Mr.A could do to get his accounts merged?
The best idea is for Mr.A and Mr.B to have a friendly chat with each other about who they think should get the global account. Then, depending on the results of that conversation, either Mr.A can rename his many accounts to some new, unique username; or Mr.B can rename his fr.wikipedia account and Mr.A can get the global name.
-- Tim Starling