Sorry, fell back into lawyer mode - specifically, PII is "personally identifiable information" - in our case, usually IP addresses. A badly designed system could send that to the translation system, but we didn't do that - Yandex does not have access to it, so they know nothing about the editors who use the system.
Sorry I was unclear, and thanks to the person who sent me a personal note asking for clarification! Luis
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
I haven't been directly involved in a while, but we were certainly not paying Yandex last time I looked at the arrangement. Appropriate legal steps were also taken to protect the licensing of the content, and appropriate technical steps to protect PII of editors, among other things. FWIW- Luis On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 1:12 PM, C. Scott Ananian cananian@wikimedia.org wrote:
According to my listening of that Metrics meeting, it does seem like WMF is going to have to pay Yandex for using its service. But as you say, that doesn't infect the actual translation text, which goes into wikipedia and extends the free content available for everyone. --scott
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:31 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipedia@gmail.com
wrote:
On 07/02/2015 12:55 PM, Legoktm wrote:
On 07/01/2015 06:50 PM, Ricordisamoa wrote:
Il 02/07/2015 03:28, Legoktm ha scritto: > I noticed: "Yandex coming up soon!" under ContentTranslation. Are
there
> more details about what this means?
Thanks for the pointer. After some more digging, I found <
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:Content_translation/Specification...
.
So it appears that ContentTranslation will be contacting a third-party, closed source service? Are users going to be informed that this is the case? What data is being sent?
It appears[1] this has quietly gone ahead without any response here, which is disappointing.
[1]
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Content_translation/Documentatio...
As the user is isolated from the communication with Yandex , I don't see it as a huge problem. Using Qualtrics seems to be a much more serious problem, and nobody seems to care about that.
Yandex is sort of similar to a "MP4 upload only" support, only without the patent concerns. Relying on it comes at the risk that the service stops, but the free content created is not infected. More likely, Yandex will start asking WMF for money, and WMF decides to pay because it is 'easier' than terminating using the service.
Anyway, I've added it to
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Open_source
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