On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:13:43 +0200, Gerard Meijssen gerardm@myrealbox.com wrote:
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote on wikitech-l:
This has already been discussed at great length both on wikien and on wikipedia talk:sound, and the overwhelming consensus was not to use none-free formats which would possibly lock us into proprietery software.
It is nice to see that things are discussed on wikien and on wikipedia, it is also nice that some sort of consensus was reached. I hope you can agree with me on two points.
- Not everyone discusses on wikien and en:wikipedia.
Yes, however it was announced: * On the main mailing list * On the Village Pump * On the community portal
- If such a consensus does not result in some good explanations on how
to use .ogg files it is empty talk.
I have already pointed you to Wikipeda:Sound, read especially http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sound#Ogg_playback for instructions on how to playback Ogg Vorbis files and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sound#Ogg_encoding for how to encode them, does this explanation not suffice you?
I care little for people's opinion when they do not back it up with walking their talk. When people are to use .ogg in stead of .wav files or whatever, I expect that it must be simple to use this format. When it is not, it is astounding that I fail to find an "howto use sound" in wikipedia. Apparently the great moral issues are more important than the practicalities.
I really appreciate it when a message can be as informative as "use media". Thanks again Brion :).
I am aware that Jimbo does want us to use .ogg files that is why I went this route. The reasons why are good enough for ME. But I think the explantions in wikimedia on how and why we use .ogg files really suck. I also think that we can do better. When we are going to upload thousants of pronounciations using .ogg files, we create a standard. This will be a wobly standard when we do not help our users with some easy explanations on how to listen to it. We will not get all these .ogg files when we do not find people to record their pronounciations and explain how to record .ogg files.
Granted *why* is not covered so well on Wikipedia:Sound, however it is a wiki, you can add it or leave a note on the talk page saying what is ill-explained.
So far I have only learned about ashampoo and audacity. There are perhaps better tools, I am convinced that there are people on the list that do know better than me.
Thanks, GerardM