Wikitech-l January 2009

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403 with content to Python?
by Andre Engels 25 Jan '09

25 Jan '09

Through a message on another list, I found that when one tries to reach wikipedia (or at least wikipedia-en) specifying the User Agent as "Python-urllib/1.17", the server gives a "403 Forbidden" response, together with the content of the page. Two questions: 1. Why is this User Agent getting this response? If I remember correctly, this was installed in the early days of the pywikipediabot, when Brion wanted to block it because it had a programming error causing it to fetch each page twice (sometimes even more?). If that is the actual reason, I see no reason why it should still be active years afterward... 2. If this User Agent is really to be blocked, why do we still provide the content of the page that is forbidden? -- André Engels, andreengels(a)gmail.com

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Downloading Wikipedia HTML 2008-06
by Joe Webber 23 Jan '09

23 Jan '09

A few months ago I successfully downloaded the November 2006 HTML version of Wikipedia (about 6GB expanding to 90GB) and the October 2008 xml.bz2 file (4.1GB converted to 7.1GB Wikitaxi format). I have just downloaded the June 2008 HTML version in .tar.7z format and extracted into .tar format (14.3GB.to 230GB). I now have no idea what to do next. I ran WinRAR on it and it gave up after more than 6 million files. 1. How do I actually access all this information? I use the Wikitaxi version, but only the HTML version allows access to, for instance, categories, so the latest version would be useful. 2. Is there any way to recompress it to a reasonable size such that I can still access it without it occupying nearly all my disk?3. Or, failing that, is there any way to access the original .tar.7z file, as BzReader can access .xml.bz2 files?

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MediaWiki developer meet-up in Berlin, April 3-5
by Daniel Kinzler 22 Jan '09

22 Jan '09

Hello All I'm happy to announce the MediaWiki Developer Meet-Up will happen April 3.-5. in Berlin, at the c-base. The event is for everyone who works on MediaWiki, writes extensions, builds bots, writes scripts for the toolserver, or is otherwise interested in the technical aspects of Wikimedia. We are happy that we can now have the meet-up after our plans for 25C3 and FOSDEM failed. If you want to come to the Developer Meetup, please sign up at <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Developer_meet-up_2009>. The event will take place in parallel to the Wikimedia Foundation's board meeting and chapter meeting, so there will be a lot of Wikimedians in Berlin at the time. We plan to have a party to bring everyone together and give an opportunity for developers, board members and chapter people to mingle. The meet-up will be a loose BacCamp-like event so topics and schedule are largely up to you. The goal is to get to know new aspects of MediaWiki and Wikimedia and to develop ideas on how we can make things even better. And of course to have a lot of fun with wiki hackers from around the world! -- daniel

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localize transcluded image description pages
by Marcus Buck 22 Jan '09

22 Jan '09

At the moment image description pages on our projects that are transcluded from Commons will be shown in English. That was no problem for the last four years cause the pages basically all were in English. But with the autotranslate template on Commons now many templates can be shown in any language. It would be very useful, if the transcluded pages on the local projects would be shown in the content language or user language too. If I am not mistaken, its the function "getDescriptionRenderUrl" in "FileRepo.php" that gets the image description page from Commons. We should add "'uselang='. $wgLang->getCode()" as an additional parameter, so the page is rendered in the right language. (I don't know the code well and had only a brief look into the file, perhaps some additional changes are needed. The developers will know best.) Can this be done? Marcus Buck

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New SVN committers
by Brion Vibber 21 Jan '09

21 Jan '09

Added to SVN: Tzou PhiLiP (philip) -- patches for Chinese encoding converter Tom Maaswinkel (thedevilonline) -- patches for UniWiki extensions. -- brion

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Re: [Wikitech-l] [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [45938] trunk/phase3
by Thomas Dalton 21 Jan '09

21 Jan '09

2009/1/20 <brion(a)svn.wikimedia.org>: > Revision: 45938 > Author: brion > Date: 2009-01-20 22:32:25 +0000 (Tue, 20 Jan 2009) > > Log Message: > ----------- > Revert r45788 "Page moves should not be minor edits" > Would prefer to see some discussion first; it's not obvious whether the change is needed/wanted. I can't see any argument for changing the title of a page not being a pretty big deal. Even without that, it's a definite bug - the edits are marked as minor yet don't disappear when you click "hide minor edits" (because they're actually log entries, not edits, so don't get treated as minor by watchlists, etc.).

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Drafts extension in testing
by Chad 20 Jan '09

20 Jan '09

Yeah, get on that. We call it a feature...but it clearly doubles as a drama-generator for those communities prone to such antics. -Chad On Jan 20, 2009 6:35 PM, "David Gerard" <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: 2009/1/20 Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com>: > Veeeerrrrry bad idea. I can already see enwiki having > ArbCom cases about stuff someone wanted t... No, no, this is a feature. The only way to fix en:wp is to cause the dramatic core to enter final meltdown and annihilate itself, then the people who write an encyclopedia can get on with that. - d. _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Drafts extension in testing
by Chad 20 Jan '09

20 Jan '09

Veeeerrrrry bad idea. I can already see enwiki having ArbCom cases about stuff someone wanted to say but didnt . -Chad On Jan 20, 2009 5:50 PM, "Brion Vibber" <brion(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: On 1/20/09 1:40 PM, Platonides wrote: > They could benefit from drafts, but in that case better to d... Client-side storage would be fantastic (and avoid unnecessary server round-trips). We discussed this in original planning but didn't get round to implementing it yet. > A completely different approach could be to allow anyone to view other's > drafts. As a new featu... I wouldn't be comfortable with that, especially for discussion pages. I also wouldn't be comfortable with my e-mail client showing everybody my drafts of my e-mails... I'm sure I'm not the only one who sometimes writes things they delete for a very good reason before pushing save. ;) -- brion _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia....

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Transcoding Video Contributions in Mediawiki
by Mike.lifeguard 20 Jan '09

20 Jan '09

>The current direction is to encourage in-browser client side >transcoding. This offloads the costs of server side transcoding and >maximizes quality letting us supply the transcode settings for >generating theora files from the HD or DV source. Instead of users >uploading intermediary format at low bandwidth & arbitrary encode >quality settings. Why can we not do server-side transcoding to derive a few files (ie 3 levels of quality, plus an animated gif thumbnail...?) akin to Archive.org? This seems to work nicely for them (and me, when I used it). Simply upload your file, and it automatically transcodes the file into the appropriate derivative files. This is certainly a lot easier than asking the user to do it (most have no sweet clue, and even experienced users are in over their head), and ensures that the derived files have a minimal level of quality (ie no transoding mistakes, which is easy to do if you don't know what you're doing), saves the user time and energy, and also automates a repetitive task. If we're asking users to upload several sizes of a video because we can't "thumbnail" while streaming it then instead of making them transcode it a bunch of times so there are a few sizes of the file, WMF servers can do it. Incidentally, archive.org required me to transfer the file via FTP, which would also be /very/ nice to allow on WMF servers. Cheers, Mike ---- Mike.lifeguard mikelifeguard(a)fastmail.fm

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Client side transcoding with firefogg (early testing)...
by Michael Dale 19 Jan '09

19 Jan '09

While the upload API is under development / stabilization ... I hacked in basic firefogg upload support to the add_media_wizard ... Since firefogg works over post you can use it with the existing upload interface (without good error handling).... If you first download the browser extension from firefogg.org you can do client side transcoding by adding in: importScriptURI('http://mvbox2.cse.ucsc.edu/wiki/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/add_media_wiza…'); to your User:Name/monobook.js page on commons... once added visit the upload page and hopefully it gives you the option to transcode ;) This is just a proof of concept demo.. we should soon have real integration ;) peace, --michael

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