Wikitech-l April 2005

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Question about uncompressing and importing Wikipedia "old" - con't
by Kevin Carillo 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Thank you for your quick answer. I'd like to precise a little more the doubts I have: 20050421_cur_table.sql.gz ----> 864 108 KB and 20050421_cur_table.sql ----> around gigabytes (compression factor of around 3) BUT 20050421_old_table.sql.gz ----> around 31 gigabytes and 20050421_old_table.sql ----> 34 201 362 bytes (compression factor of around 1.1) Even though gunzip seemed to have worked well, I am still very suspicious. I was expecting an old_table.sql file of around 80 to 90 gigabytes. I am sorry to insist, but it is very important for my research project to have the integrality of the records in the table "old" for I am trying to study collaboration processes among wikipedians. Thank you very much. Kevin Carillo _____ From: wikitech-l-bounces(a)wikimedia.org [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces@wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org Sent: April 26, 2005 11:48 AM To: wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org Subject: Wikitech-l Digest, Vol 21, Issue 48 Importance: Low Send Wikitech-l mailing list submissions to wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wikitech-l-request(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:> You can reach the person managing the list at wikitech-l-owner(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wikitech-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: MediaWiki 1.5 release schedule (Brion Vibber) 2. Re: (no subject) (Tomer Chachamu) 3. Re: Test wiki (Phil Boswell) 4. Re: cvs head version - change of user preference: fully re-arranging the sub-options (Timwi) 5. Re: [patch] Anonymous edit warning (Timwi) 6. Question about uncompressing and importing Wikipedia "old" table (Kevin Carillo) 7. Re: cvs head version - change of user preference: fully re-arranging the sub-options (Phil Boswell) 8. Re: Question about uncompressing and importing Wikipedia "old" table (John Fader) 9. Re: Question about uncompressing and importing Wikipedia "old" table (Timwi) 10. AW: [Wikitech-l] Upload-Problems in Version 1.4.0 (German) (Karl-Otto Kirst) 11. AW: [Wikitech-l] Upload-Problems in Version 1.4.0 (German) (Karl-Otto Kirst) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 05:10:31 -0700 From: Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com <mailto:> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.5 release schedule To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:> > Message-ID: <426E2FB7.7090901(a)pobox.com <mailto:> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MaPhi Werner wrote: > So, out of naivity: how does the process work concerning the > incorporation of enhancement patches? Enhancement patches may or may not get integrated, depending on time, interest, code cleanliness, bugginess, etc. > I continued my work on read-access controlled pages (see > http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2005-March/028105.html > for my first approach). The second version abandoned the idea of hiding > individual pages and deals with namespaces instead. Read access restrictions are a really, really low priority. I personally have no interest in seeing such a feature in MediaWiki, though others might take a crack at your patch. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com <mailto:> )

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my tale of max_allowed_packet woe
by Dan McDonald 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Hello, I'm having problems importing the cur en.wikipedia.org dump into my local MySQL server. I get the "max_allowed_packet" problem, but increasing the value of that variable doesn't fix things for me. I'm clearly doing something silly, but can't figure out what. I'd appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. ==Details== I'm running a clean install of MySQL 4.0.16-nt on Windows XP SP2, with mediawiki 1.4.2 installed and working okay. c:\WINDOWS\my.ini has the line: set-variable=max_allowed_packet=512M I've restarted the MySQL service since setting the above value. I downloaded the April 21st cur table dump from http://download.wikimedia.org/ and tried to load it with the following command (where mysql and the mysql service run on the same machine): mysql --max_allowed_packet=512M -u dan -p -D wikidb < 20050421_cur_table.sql A nerve-wracking 7hrs later I get the (now all too familiar): ERROR 1153 at line 1323: Got a packet bigger than 'max_allowed_packet' I can only imagine that somehow the max packet setting isn't being honoured by someone along the line. Naturally I tried it at the more modest values suggested by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_dump_import_problems, but even bumping it up to the (surely insane) heights of 512M didn't help. I looked through the .sql file with less and it seems valid and uncorrupted. Thanks, Dan McDonald (user:Middenface)

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problem setting up v 1.4 - index.php not found
by Sabine Cretella 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Hi, when I try to install my wiki at http://www.ars-vita-italica.com I receive this message ***** Multiple Choices The document name you requested (|/config/index.php|) could not be found on this server. However, we found documents with names similar to the one you requested. Available documents: * /config/index.html <http://www.ars-vita-italica.com/config/index.html> (common basename) Please consider informing the owner of the referring page <http://www.ars-vita-italica.com/> about the broken link. ***** But: index.php IS there. Yesterday evening I made some trials and when I modify the directory name "config" to "conf" and insert the direct address http://www.ars-vita-italica.com/conf/index.php Mediawiki installs, but afterwards it tries to access the Main_Page on http://www.ars.vita-italica.com/conf/index.php/index.php=.... and of course: this cannot work Is there someone who had the same experience? What can I do about this? Thank you! Ciao, Sabine

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Question about uncompressing and importing Wikipedia "old" table
by Kevin Carillo 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

Hi. I am a MSc. student in admistration in Montreal, Canada, and am doing my master's thesis on Wikipedia. I am having troubles importing the table "old" of wikipedia. I have first downloaded all the dump files (exported on April 21st) and then concatenated them (cat ...).The concatenation of the dump files (english version of Wikipedia) has ended up with a file of around 31 gigabytes Apparently, the compression format has changed for bzip2 does not recognize the resulting file as a bz2 one but gunzip is able to uncompress the file (by naming the compressed file old_table.sql.gz). Has the compression format been officially changed ? Moreover, the uncompressed file has a final size of only 34,201,462 KB which is not much bigger than the compressed file. Is that normal? Nonetheless, the resulting sql file seems to be readable for it is possible to import the 'old table' from it. But I don't know whether the file is complete or not, and whether the old table that I got, will not miss any record. I successfully downloaded & installed several times already the english version of the wikipedia database; but this time, there is something I don't get. Could you please indicate me what is wrong in what I am doing, or whether there has been any change in the procedures to follow? Thank you. Kevin Carillo

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(no subject)
by P. Steemans 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

Hello dear all, In the preferences, the function who allows the user to change by himself his login doesn't work. Have you a solution to solve this problem? Thenk you in advance Philippe

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problem setting up v 1.4 - index.php not found
by Sabine Cretella 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

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OTRS problem
by Jimmy Wales 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

The board queue is overwhelmed with SPAM. Would it be possible to route mail to the otrs board queue through spamassassin first, with the parameters set fairly aggressively? The ideal solution might involve an autoresponder as well. If Spam assassin thinks something to that queue is spam, we autorespond to warn the person that we've discarded it and please try again (perhaps by sending it directly to me with wikipedia in the subject line for example). --Jimbo

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Who owns the HTML output for MediaWiki?
by Jonathan Duncan 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

Is this the correct list to ask this question? Who owns the HTML output for MediaWiki? In other words, who or which group is in charge of the final output of the HTML for all MediaWiki pages? Or does everyone just get to do their own thing? The reason I ask is because I was recently asked to skin a copy of MediaWiki to put on one of our sites. As I went through the CSS file that came with it and tried to modify it to my needs I found that I could not. The reason I could not is because not all of the CSS was in the CSS file. Not only that but whole sections in the HTML output were not identified and thus had to be modified manually. Why is this a problem? Everytime a new version of MediaWiki comes out, I am going to be required to tweak the HTML instead of just tweaking the CSS. Is there an initiative here to standardize the HTML and CSS out put for MediaWiki? To make it easier and cleaner to customize, structure must be separated from content. Markup is only meant to markup, not control structure. Anything to do with style or control should be removed from the HTML and put into the CSS. The result will be cleaner HTML source and more control for designers. Thank you, Jonathan

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Status of work and implementation on Serbian extension to MediaWiki
by Milos Rancic 26 Apr '05

26 Apr '05

Last Friday Zhengzhu said to me that community at sr: should decide very fast (in one week) about implementation of his work on new Serbian interface which implements all standards of Serbian language. As it is too fast for voting on sr.wikipedia and as almost every Saturday at 20h (8pm) CET people from sr: have online meetings at #wikipedia-sr channel (Freenode network), I announced that we should talk about implementation of Zhengzhu's work there. Also, I saw that Angela is online and I called her to join us. At 20h CET there were 8 sr: contributors, Zhengzhu and Angela at the channel. (I'll list sr: contributor down.) Before 20h one more user was online, but he had problems with Internet connection because of rain in France, one more didn't come because he was running at Belgrade Marathon. One more contributor came during the talk with Zhengzhu. After talk with Zhengzhu two more contributors came and participate in decision making. I asked other 3 more very active contributors about their opinion after that talk and I can guess (according to his writing at vilage pump) opinion for the last very active contributor. All of that will be explained in the rest of the message. We were talking about one hour and half with Zhengzhu and some parts of his work became more clear to us. Another hour was passed until we articulated questions for voting and made decisions. We had two questions: (a) To implement or not Cyrillic-Latin conversion at sr: and how to implement; and (b) to implement or not Ekavian-Iyekavian conversion at sr: and when. a) According do possible solutions, we articulated for oppinions for the first question: 1. Not to implement Cyrillic-Latin conversion. 2. To have mixed Cyrillic and Latin wiki source. This solution is implemented on Chinese Wikipedia, but it is very strange for Serbian speakers: only bibliography and foreign names can be mixed in one text. 3. To have read-write Cyrillic and read-only Latin pages. 4. To have read-write for both Cyrillics and Latin. This oppinion had one note: If it is not possible to implement, we should use oppinion 3 as temporary solution, until complete 4 is possible. This solution also means that I can continue to talk with Zhengzhu about implementation. Voting result was (order is: IRC nickname, user account at sr:, oppinion): bonzo, [[sr:User:Bonzo]], 4 djordjes, [[sr:User:Djordjes]], 4 domatrios, [[sr:User:Domatrios]], 3 dzivdzan, [[sr:User:Dzivdzan]], 4 Dzordzm, [[sr:User:Dzordzm]], 4 kaster, [[sr:User:Kaster]], 3 Milan^Tesovic, [[sr:User:Милант]], 2 millosh, [[sr:User:Милош]], 4 Pokrajac, [[sr:User:Покрајац]], 4 Sasa^Stefanovic, [[sr:User:Саша.Стефановић]], 4 VKokielov, [[sr:User:ВКокијелов]], 4 Other active contributors, which I asked after the voting, said: [[sr:User:Ninam]], 3 [[sr:User:Горан Анђелковић]], 4 (he was disconnected before Zhengzhu came) [[sr:User:Обрадовић Горан]], 4 (he was running on Belgrade Marathon) Other active contributors for which I can just guess what do they think: [[sr:User:Golija]], probably 4, maybe 3 (he was urged for introduction of Latin alphabet on the vilage pump at sr:) [[sr:User:Влада]], maybe 1, maybe 3 (he doesn't like Latin, as I think) [[sr:User:Ivan]], I don't know This is the list of all very active users. Actualy, I think that contributors User:Domatrios, User:ВКокијелов and User:Ivan are not "very active" according to March statistics, but they are active part of community at sr:. Results are: A) According to voting on IRC: - oppinion 1 - 0 votes - oppinion 2 - 1 vote - oppinion 3 - 2 votes - oppinion 4 - 8 votes B) According to all clear votes: - oppinion 1 - 0 votes - oppinion 2 - 1 vote - oppinion 3 - 3 votes - oppinion 4 - 10 votes C) According to some possible votes: - oppinion 1 - between 0 and 1 votes - oppinion 2 - 1 vote - oppinion 3 - between 3 and 5 votes - oppinion 4 - between 10 and 11 votes As oppinion 4 has clear majority, at least 10:6 against all other oppinions, community decided to introduce read-write Cyrillic-Latin conversion. b) The second question was: to implement or not Ekavian-Iyekavian conversion. Some people had some reserves not to implementation, but to the time of implementation. So, they introduced two suboppinions inside of oppinion for implementation. Oppinions was: 1.a - To implement Ekavian-Iyekavian conversion now. 1.b - To implement Ekavian-Iyekavian conversion after the implementation of Cyrillic-Latin conversion. 2. - Not to implement Ekavian-Iyekavian conversion. Voting result was (order is: IRC nickname, user account at sr:, oppinion): bonzo, [[sr:User:Bonzo]], 1.a djordjes, [[sr:User:Djordjes]], 1.a domatrios, [[sr:User:Domatrios]], 2 Dzordzm, [[sr:User:Dzordzm]], 1.a kaster, [[sr:User:Kaster]], 1.b Milan^Tesovic, [[sr:User:Милант]], 2 millosh, [[sr:User:Милош]], 1.a Pokrajac, [[sr:User:Покрајац]], 1.a Sasa^Stefanovic, [[sr:User:Саша.Стефановић]], 1.a VKokielov, [[sr:User:ВКокијелов]], 1.b Before we articulated question, User:Dzivdzan left the room. As she said that she is for implementation before she left, but, also, she had some reserves to that implementation, her voice is assumed as 1.b (dzivdzan, [[sr:User:Dzivdzan]], 1.b) Other active contributors, which I asked after the voting, said: [[sr:User:Ninam]], 1.a [[sr:User:Горан Анђелковић]], 1.a (he was disconnected before Zhengzhu came) [[sr:User:Обрадовић Горан]], 1.a (he was running on Belgrade Marathon) Other active contributors for which I can just guess what do they think: [[sr:User:Golija]], I don't know [[sr:User:Влада]], I don't know [[sr:User:Ivan]], I don't know Results are: A) According to voting on IRC: - oppinion 1.a - 6 votes - oppinion 1.b - 3 votes - oppinion 2 - 2 votes B) According to all clear votes: - oppinion 1.a - 9 votes - oppinion 1.b - 3 votes - oppinion 2 - 2 votes As oppinion 1.a has absolute majority, at least 6:5 against all other oppinions, we will continue with implementation of Ekavian-Iyekavian conversion together with implementation of Cyrillic-Latin conversion. IRC logs can be found at: The first three parts in Serbian: (1) http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%… (2) http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%… and (3) http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%… The fourth part is in English, after we called Angela to see results: http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%… Next steps Today Zhengzhu and me were talking about implementation. He said that it is not so easy to implement our solution (because it has some differences with Chinese implementation) and that we should wait until June. Also, Zhengzhu and me agreed that I (and probably sr:User:Kaster) can continue with implementation of Serbian interface in MediaWiki. At least for the first time, Zhengzhu will check our code before it's implementation into CVS tree. (And spell checker on Gmail doesn't work now :) )

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Why does wikipedia need activeX?
by Jaap van Ganswijk 25 Apr '05

25 Apr '05

Hi, I have disabled ActiveX plugins and controls in my IE-browser (due to the large amount of self-installing spy-ware etc. and when I go to wikipedia sites like: http://de.wikipedia.org/ http://nl.wikipedia.org/ I get a popup window with 'Do you want to allow software such as ActiveX controls and plug-ins to run?' This mainly seems to be necessary to show the top left logo to be shown. Wouldn't it be better for an open source standards based site not to require MS-dependent technology? Greetings, Jaap

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