Wikitech-l August 2003

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Simple question
by Geoffrey Thomas 30 Aug '03

30 Aug '03

Simple question with a complex answer. How do I install MediaWiki on Windows? I have Windows XP, Apache 2, Perl, and Cygwin (to do UNIX stuff). I don't have PHP or MySQL - I assume I need to install these? Is it possible to use MS Access 2002 as the database (so it's one less thing to install)? For TeX equations and other cool stuff, do I also need some rendering or image-creating software? I don't (think that I) have CVS, so is there a .tar.gz or a .zip of the relatively recent MediaWiki? Or do I need to download the Windows CVS client? I'm currently using UseMod because I have Perl somewhere and it works as a basic Wiki, but I like MediaWiki's uploads, equations, advanced formatting, etc. UseMod's installation is basically "change a few globals and copy into cgi-bin" - MediaWiki's seems more complex; is it doable on Windows? Is there any public website successfully running MediaWiki under Apache/Windows or even IIS/Windows? Has anyone ever done this? Another few questions: Whatever happened to Phase I, and what's the difference between Wikipedia's Phase II and UseMod? -[[User:Geoffrey]] Thomas <geoffreyerffoeg(a)yahoo.com> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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MediaWiki documentation -> meta
by Daniel Mayer 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

OK. My Wikiholism is advancing to the next level and to feed that I would like to consolidate MediaWiki's documentation on meta. The reasons are two-fold; 1) there are already forks in documentation development between meta, SourceForge, Lee's webpages, and various Wikipedia namespace pages (not to mention other duplication; such as in other Wikimedia projects) 2) I would like to understand the beast known as MediaWiki so that after I learn PHP I can advance to uber-Wikiholic and port over the WikiBook functionality from PyWiki and tweak it for use in Wikibooks. I don't want to step on anybody's toes, so I would like to know who is currently involved with creating documentation? Is there anybody working on coordinating documentation efforts? If so, then I could work with that person instead of leading this effort on my own. It would also be helpful to know where current documentation resides. Currently on meta: MediaWiki How to become a MediaWiki hacker Running MediaWiki on Windows Database queries on MediaWiki Text in MediaWiki MediaWiki math markup RDF spool Wiki markup tables -- proposals Wiki markup syntax - see Wikipedia DTD meta.wikipedia.org technical issues Sites using MediaWiki Wikitax On en.wikipedia: Wikipedia:MediaWiki Wikipedia:Software Phase III Wikipedia:TeX markup Wikipedia:Software Phase IV Wikipedia:TeX markup Wikipedia:GNU LilyPond support Wikipedia:Edit summary Whole bunch of how to use Wikipedia's software pages (this will take some time since many of them have Wikipedia-specific references). I'm thinking about organizing all this between actual documentation vs ideas about how MediaWiki should work. Documentation can be further subdivided between stuff for developers vs stuff for users. When we do finally have the WikiBook functionality, then an actual users guide and developer documentation guides can be organized on meta (complete with a "print this book" feature). This is a long term undertaking but I think it is worth the effort. -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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Re: [Wikitech-l] mysql table size
by Brion Vibber 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Constans, Camille (C.C.) wrote: > I saw something in mysql manual about table size. Mysql can handle a table o$ > And i know that old_table from english wikipedia is 1,5Go with bzip2. There may be such a limit on individual data objects, but tables can certainly be bigger; the English old table is _much_ bigger than 4gb, and our whole InnoDB data store file is about 16gb. (A note though: some filesystems cannot handle files larger than 4gb. In particular, I recommend against trying to decompress the english old article dump on a FAT32 filesystem...) > Maybe we could think about 64 bit processors for our new server ? Well, that'd be cool too. :) -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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mysql table size
by Constans, Camille (C.C.) 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

Hi, I saw something in mysql manual about table size. Mysql can handle a table of 8 To, but on 64 bits systems. On 32bits it seem it can only use 4Go tables. And i know that old_table from english wikipedia is 1,5Go with bzip2. Maybe we could think about 64 bit processors for our new server ? Shaihulud on fr.wiki

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Updated stable snapshop
by Brion Vibber 29 Aug '03

29 Aug '03

For those who may be interested, I've updated the release snapshot to the current state of the stable branch: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/wikipedia/mediawiki-20030829.tar.gz?down… Compared to last month's snapshot there are a number of bug fixes: * simultaneous edit bug (data corruption) * 'post comment' bug (data corruption) * Internet Explorer cache bug (just annoying) * probably some stuff that slips my mind -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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Arrow graphics for enhanced recentchanges?
by Daniel Mayer 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Magnus wrote: >I doubt whoverver made them will come after >us for using them, though. If you put someting >you made on the web and say "free to use", >it sounds like public domain to me... Hm. "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"... "Wikipedia is free content" I sure hope that doesn't give the impression that Wikipedia is in the public domain. --mav __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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select denied
by Andre Engels 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

When trying to do a database search on the Dutch Wikipedia (wanting to create a new cached version of the defunct special pages), I got an error message with the text "1142: select command denied to user: 'sqluser(a)localhost.localdomain' for table 'cur'". Is this another action taken to make Wikipedia less slow, or is it a bug? Andre Engels

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Bug in Mailman
by Michael Becker 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

I recently changed the e-mail address I used for the mailing lists to User:Mbecker@jumpingjackweb.com. This has seemed to hit some sort of error in the Mailman program. I am receiving e-mail to Mbecker(a)jumpingjackweb.com rather than User:Mbecker@jumpingjackweb.com. When I try to logon to the site to change the address to something else, I get the following error: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 206, in main password, user): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 219, in WebAuthenticate print self.MakeCookie(ac, user) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 235, in MakeCookie c[key] = binascii.hexlify(marshal.dumps((issued, mac))) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/Cookie.py", line 585, in __setitem__ self.__set(key, rval, cval) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/Cookie.py", line 578, in __set M.set(key, real_value, coded_value) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/Cookie.py", line 456, in set raise CookieError("Illegal key value: %s" % key) CookieError: Illegal key value: wikien-l+user+User:Mbecker--at--jumpingjackweb.com Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.3 (#1, Aug 15 2003, 19:26:31) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)] sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python sys.prefix /usr/local sys.exec_prefix /usr/local sys.path /usr/local sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value PATH_INFO /wikien-l HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plai n;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/options/wikien-l SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.1 PYTHONPATH /home/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/options SERVER_ADMIN lee(a)piclab.com SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/options SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.27 Server at mail.wikipedia.org Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST mail.wikipedia.org HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/options/wikien-l CONTENT_LENGTH 72 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive SERVER_NAME mail.wikipedia.org REMOTE_PORT 21868 REMOTE_ADDR 66.250.143.140 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us,en;q=0.5 PATH_TRANSLATED /usr/local/apache/htdocs-mail/wikien-l SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate SERVER_ADDR 130.94.122.197 DOCUMENT_ROOT /usr/local/apache/htdocs-mail -- Michael Becker

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Changes to server file layout
by Brion Vibber 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

I've been reorganizing things on pliny to make it easier to deal with language additions... This stuff ought not to be user-noticable, but if there are any new bugs, do speak up! The new directory layout: Each language's stuff lives under /apache/htdocs/xx (formerly /apache/htdocs-xx). This is the case on larousse, too, but there's not much there. ;) However a lot of stuff has been consolidated by symlinks under /apache/common: php/ - all the live PHP scripts (set in the PHP include path; only wiki.phtml and redirect.phtml are be symlinked in) texvc - the texvc executable robots.txt - the robots exclusion file favicon.ico - that cute 'w' icon style/ - the stylesheet & javascript directory math/ - rendered TeX bits for UTF-8 wikis math-latin1/ - rendered TeX bits for Latin-1 wikis tmp/ - TeX temporary files templates/ - templates for LocalSettings.php, webalizer.conf, and additions to the apache config file LocalSettings.php files have been minimized by putting most of it into a CommonSettings.php; most of them now just need to specify a language code, a few have some overrides. Taw assures me there is no problem with using a single temp directory to hold texvc's temporary files, but recommends keeping the rendered output segregated by input charset. (I'm not sure I see the chance of collision, but he knows more about texvc than I.) Because each database has a separate math _table_, it'll still re-render each equation the first time it's used on any given wiki for now, but it won't store multiple copies of the same PNG file. (Beyond duplication between the UTF-8 and Latin-1 sections.) -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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Update to gfdl copyright notice needed
by Michael Becker 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

It has been discussed (here: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Sites_that_use_Wikipedia_for_c…) that the gfdl notice on the bottom of every page needs updating. The following notice is the result of the discussion "All text is available under the terms of the [[Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License|GNU Free Documentation License]]. See [[Wikipedia:Copyrights]] for suggested practices." I would like to request that as long as no one has any more suggestion to make on the talk page, this new notice be instituted ASAP. Also, the "Printable version" pages need to have the same notice (currently they don't). -- Michael Becker

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