As we all know wikipedia is a bitch to set up. now that we are talking about switching from one
distro to another, it will be even more of a bitch to set up.
Here is the solution: UML, user mode linux (it lets you run an complet emulation of linux inside
your own linux box). So: instead of telling people they need php 4.3.2 and apache 2.0.48 with this
and that compile option (a combination which might not be available to some distros), simply: use
dd to create a running image that people can run right off the bat (they could probably use the
thing that lets you run linux inside windows as well...).
The beautiful thing about UML is that it has no hardware requirements: eg no kernel compile need
be done by the image makers (like knoppix for example which just throws every imaginable driver on
there), eg up and running within minutes.
But does the beauty of this idea stop here ? NO. This is fine for testing purposes (running a
slow UML image that is), but if someone wants to run wikipedia without limits then they can simply
find a kernel that works for their machine, drop it into the image (maybe a small touch of hacking
required by us to create a utility to drop a kernel in), and then use a tool designed to plop
images directly onto a harddrive (like the proprietary "symantec ghost").
Aside from allowing the world an unprecentedly easy way to hack,tinker,consider,or use wikipedia
on their own, this process will make operations inside wikipedia easier. Yes, all code should be
included in this image, the database code the web code: so that any machine can be an: all-in-one,
or database-only eg...with an /etc/wikipedia-node.conf file (this would help when new machines
come in AND when important machines go down).
This idea originally spawned out of the fact that all parts of wikipedia's code are not on
sourceforge, when i asked why i was told "there is some site specific code". The only thing that
is site specific in my mind are the passwords everything else should be exactly what the public is
getting, down to the byte. And its great to make it in an extrememly easy to use format as well
which defeats the difficult-to-setup aspect.
Well as I hope you can understand, its better for all that its wholly open setup and why not make
I hereby declare wikipedia an OS.
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Yes, I started to read the code, but it's not easy without documentation (I
saw the existing, and it's really weak) and with almost no comment. But I
didn't give up, and the good thing is : I can easily improve the code. I
just have to add comments. And I can easily improve the whole software. I
just have to write doc.
Von: Tim Starling [mailto:email@example.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Oktober 2003 01:30
Betreff: [Wikitech-l] Need developers
Is there anyone out there who has considered contributing to the
MediaWiki PHP script, but decided it against for reasons such as:
* Don't know PHP/MySQL
* Poor documentation, can't understand the code
* Wouldn't know where to start
* Don't have a test server
* Don't have CVS/server access, and you find contributing otherwise to
be tedious and frustrating
Or perhaps you've contributed on occasion but you're deterred from
contributing again for reasons such as those above?
If so, please speak up! What areas could we improve to make it easier to
If you prefer, you can contact me privately at tstarlingphysicsunimelbeduau.
-- Tim Starling.
Wikitech-l mailing list
There's been a problem for the past few days on the Afrikaans wikipedia. Everytime I try and preview/edit, I get:
Could not get editing lock at /home/usemod/wiki-af/work-http/wiki.cgi line 3224.
For help, please send mail to the webmaster (lee(a)piclab.com), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
I've sent messages to that address, but since the software is old, I guess the email is too.
What are our plans for the network architecture as soon as the new
server arrives (sometime next week)?
At that time, we hope that larousse and pliny will both be
successfully upgraded (though I believe that Jason has not yet
successfully gotten 4 gig of RAM to work, but 2 gig each and dual
Athlon 2800+ should be do-able) and equivalent to each other.
The DB server will be the DB server, that much we know for sure. :-)
Beyond that, I think that the easiest thing to do would be to have en
served by one machine, and everything else by the other machine.
Based on total article count, which is roughly comparable for en vs
rest-of-the-world, that seems good, but is it really? What about
In the longer term, the right way to do this is not to load balance by
domain names, but to load balance properly.
I have had very good success in the past using iptables and a
configuration that looks a lot like this picture:
Of course, I did this years ago, and the "poor man's" way -- I think
there are probably packages (like ultramonkey!) that are quick
The beauty of this kind of architecture is:
1. high availability -- if one webserving node falls over, traffic
automatically goes to the ones that are still up
2. easy expandability -- just add more webservers, at $2000 a crack
for 'good enough' machines, and install the software and there you go.
Anyhow, to really do something like this, we'd need one more machine,
but it need not be very powerful, since it's only going to be doing
1 st Nov 2003
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Perhaps we could set up test.wikipedia.org as an ISP-style user script
directory, i.e. with open_basedir and disable_functions and all that. We
could then make a simple upload form which allows people to upload
scripts to it using a web interface.
I'm not suggesting someone else do this, I'm suggesting someone try to
talk me out of it, if there's any reason it won't work.
-- Tim Starling.
After enthusiastically accepting Jimbo's offer to provide me
with "developer access", I quickly soured on having any
It was as I feared: no requirements documents, nothing about
architecture or detailed design. The hardest-working, most
universally respected developer(s) kept basically saying
"just read the code".
So I've kept on the sidelines. I've been a cheerleader and
catalyst (for speed tweaks) and for many months a sort of
chief sysop (carrying out bans and promotions).
As for your request for suggestions, I think the best thing
would be to adopt some sort of "best practices" methodology.
I don't care if it's XP, CMM, or just a checklist of common-
sence guidelines from Steve McConnell's "Rapid Development".
Adopt some mutually agreeable (and useful!) guiding
principles, and follow them: that's what I suggest.
Highly Paid Professional Software Engineer
>Perhaps we could set up test.wikipedia.org ....
Wikipedia is not the only project that runs MediaWiki. Please use
test.wikimedia.org instead. Part of the problem with attracting users and
developers of MediaWiki has been the very strong perception that MediaWiki is
for encyclopedias only.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)