Wikitech-l October 2003

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Re: Wikitech-l Slow
by Anthere 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

From: "Marco Krohn" <marco.krohn(a)gmx.de> > Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] slow ? > To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)Wikipedia.org> > Message-ID: <8236.1065011232(a)www61.gmx.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Anything else that we can disconnect ? Perhaps > > wikipedia could be made read only 12 hours a day, > and > > write the other twelve. > > Bad day for wikipedia - the first suggestion to make > a wiki (partially) > read-only > :-( Well, it is not the first time I hear from it. Some french speaking suggested a read-only mirror to relieve the server. I just know that even if what had a very strong surge in hits the past month, we also had a drop in new contributors. > Perhaps one should reconsider setting the national > wikipedias free meaning to encourage them to find a > > host in their country. But what is "their" country for the french wikipedia ? > That would at least give > them some space for growth. The performance issue is > going on for too long now and I for one stopped > editing wikipedia because it is too frustrating at > the moment. Yes. I understand. Does anyone has an idea why most wikipedias seem to have doubled the number of visits and requests in september compared to august (well, at least, I checked the 4 bigger ones) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Re: Wikitech-l Slow
by Erik Zachte 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

Anthere wrote: > Does anyone has an idea why most wikipedias seem > to have doubled the number of visits and requests > in september compared to august (well, at least, I checked the 4 bigger ones) The more modest rise in figures in August is still also impressive, given the fact that many habitual visitors were on holiday. Someone suggested here or on wikipedia-l, that Google recently gave Wikipedia an extra bonus. Erik Zachte

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RE: [Wikitech-l] No numbers for single letter headings
by Richards,Michael 02 Oct '03

02 Oct '03

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 9:05 PM, Richard Grevers said: > I think that what would be good here would be a flag on the TOC code, > which if set in the page would instead generate a horizontal linkbar of > the type A | B | C | D... which is commonly used in such circumstances. I have manually updated dozens of lists to remove the vertical alphabetical toc and replace it with a horizontal one. But there are hundreds of lists. A more automated way is a good idea. However many pages have the first heading that is more than one character, e.g. "0-9" and so this could not be done completely automatically. Some also have a "See also" at the end. (The same thing applies to years and decades, e.g. "List of years in art") Maybe we could use something similar to __NOTOC__, such as __HOTOC__ for horizontal toc? A minor point is if we did it this way, which format would we use? e.g. A | B | C ... or A - B - C ... or A, B, C ... 1990s | 1980s | 1970s ... or 1990s - 1980s - 1970s ... or 1990s, 1980s, 1970s ... Which is the most common or looks the best? And is this a good idea in the first place (i.e. not try to totally automate it)? Michael Richards (Nanobug) -----Original Message----- From: wikitech-l-bounces(a)Wikipedia.org [mailto:wikitech-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org]On Behalf Of Richard Grevers Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:05 PM To: Wikimedia developers Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] No numbers for single letter headings On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:28:12 +0100, Chris Seaton <chris(a)chrisseaton.com> gave utterance to the following: > I have enabled numbered headings but I think this should be bypassed > when the heading is just a single letter (used quite a lot in > alphabetical lists) as it looks quite strange. See > http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases if you have headers > enabled to see what I mean. > > Actually, perhaps it would be better to put a colon between the number > and header. "6: F" instead of "6 F", which looks like a school class > name. > > Thoughts? I think that what would be good here would be a flag on the TOC code, which if set in the page would instead generate a horizontal linkbar of the type A | B | C | D... which is commonly used in such circumstances. -- Richard Grevers Between two evils always pick the one you haven't tried _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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a suggestion for a new option
by Tomos at Wikipedia 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

I am posting this here (as opposed to sourceforge) since this idea needs some discussion, etc. I often think that viewing the latest version of the page after just editing it is not necessary. When I press "Save" button, all I need is the message that "data is now saved," not the whole article/ page. So it would be nice to have that option in one way or another. It could be either a user option or two save buttons with the edit box. Or "data is now saved" is the default, and there is a link to the page just edited. (The last option is similar to the way login proceeds. You get a link to the previously visited page after logging in successfully.) And I am speculating that if the page is not displayed after saving, it would save some server load. Even if I am wrong here, I don't have to wait for a page to load. So I can save some time. Tomos _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa

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Re: Wikitech-l Slow
by Anthere 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

Actually, it is just plain non workable :-( I suppose night work stays the only option :-( __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Re: Wikitech-l Slow : pleading
by Anthere 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

>I've also temporarily blocked the bot that's been >posting year pages to >the German wiki every 30 seconds. Could people ****really**** avoid doing these types of edits right now ? What is more important ***right now***? That real people have a chance to edit a page in more than 15 minutes or that a bot post year pages ???? Really ????? What about stopping *all* bots until things are better PS : Thanks a lot, Brion __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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slow ?
by Anthere 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

I usually connect myself at night, so perhaps I do not really realise how horribly things are. But, being there this afternoon, I wonder. Is it every day just stuck like this ? I mean, it does not answer at all anymore. (and no Mav, it is not me). Anything else that we can disconnect ? Perhaps wikipedia could be made read only 12 hours a day, and write the other twelve. Somehow, read only is better than nothing. The english one is still usable. The french is just dead. I am sure you are trying your best, but euh, well, anything else we can do ? A site not working at all during day hours is just not worth it :-(( Bien emb�t�e __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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RE: [Wikitech-l] slow ?
by Constans, Camille (C.C.) 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

It's usual for a week. Some wikipedians are left..... I don't think read only will change something. We have much more reading than writing. to Anthere: C'est décourageant...... >-----Message d'origine----- >De : Anthere [mailto:anthere6@yahoo.com] >Envoyé : mercredi 1 octobre 2003 13:43 >À : wikitech-l(a)wikipedia.org >Objet : [Wikitech-l] slow ? > > >I usually connect myself at night, so perhaps I do not >really realise how horribly things are. > >But, being there this afternoon, I wonder. > >Is it every day just stuck like this ? I mean, it does >not answer at all anymore. > >(and no Mav, it is not me). > >Anything else that we can disconnect ? Perhaps >wikipedia could be made read only 12 hours a day, and >write the other twelve. Somehow, read only is better >than nothing. >The english one is still usable. The french is just >dead. > >I am sure you are trying your best, but euh, well, >anything else we can do ? A site not working at all >during day hours is just not worth it :-(( > >Bien embêtée > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Wikitech-l mailing list >Wikitech-l(a)Wikipedia.org >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >

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No numbers for single letter headings
by Chris Seaton 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

I have enabled numbered headings but I think this should be bypassed when the heading is just a single letter (used quite a lot in alphabetical lists) as it looks quite strange. See http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases if you have headers enabled to see what I mean. Actually, perhaps it would be better to put a colon between the number and header. "6: F" instead of "6 F", which looks like a school class name. Thoughts? -- Chris Seaton chris(a)chrisseaton.com http://www.chrisseaton.com/

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RE: [Wikitech-l] Profiling
by Constans, Camille (C.C.) 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

Just a thing i had seen in a book talking about php speed, just add 'limit 1' in the query, then mysql stop searching at the first result found. There sould be only one I think. Hope it helps example : SELECT cur_id FROM cur WHERE cur_namespace=0 AND cur_title='List_of_Japan_relate...' LIMIT 1 -----Message d'origine----- De : Brion Vibber [mailto:brion@pobox.com] Envoyé : mercredi 1 octobre 2003 04:14 À : Wikimedia developers Objet : Re: [Wikitech-l] Profiling Anybody wanna look into optimizing OutputPage::replaceInternalLinks()? It's a known troublemaker; it's got a bit loop that could probably be much much more efficiently done. Rendering pages with lots and lots of links gets *really* slow. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com) 20031001020630 0025.562 /wiki/List_of_Japan_related_topics anon at 0000.016 in 0000.001 ( 0.0%) - main-misc-setup at 0000.017 in 0000.079 ( 0.3%) - *** wfQuery("SELECT cur_id FROM cur WHERE cur_namespace=0 AND cur_title='List_of_Japan_relate...") at 0000.017 in 0000.080 ( 0.3%) - ** LinkCache::addLink-checkdatabase at 0000.097 in 0000.013 ( 0.1%) - ** wfQuery("SELECT cur_text,cur_timestamp,cur_user,cur_counter,cur_restrictions,cur_touched ...") at 0000.112 in 0000.005 ( 0.0%) - *** wfQuery("SELECT cur_id FROM cur WHERE cur_namespace=0 AND cur_title='List_of_Japan-relate...") at 0000.111 in 0000.006 ( 0.0%) - ** LinkCache::addLink-checkdatabase at 0000.117 in 0000.118 ( 0.5%) - ** wfQuery("SELECT cur_text,cur_timestamp,cur_user,cur_counter,cur_touched FROM cur WHERE cu...") at 0000.017 in 0000.218 ( 0.9%) - * Article::getContent at 0000.237 in 0003.250 (12.7%) - ** wfQuery("SELECT cur_id,cur_namespace,cur_title FROM cur,links WHERE cur_id=l_to AND...") at 0003.582 in 0000.013 ( 0.0%) - ** wfQuery("SELECT bl_to FROM brokenlinks WHERE bl_from='200203'...") at 0000.237 in 0003.358 (13.1%) - * LinkCache::preFill at 0003.597 in 0000.001 ( 0.0%) - *** OutputPage::removeHTMLtags at 0003.598 in 0000.002 ( 0.0%) - *** OutputPage:replaceVariables at 0003.634 in 0000.009 ( 0.0%) - *** OutputPage::doBlockLevels at 0003.657 in 0000.111 ( 0.4%) - *** OutputPage::replaceExternalLinks at 0003.768 in 0000.006 ( 0.0%) - **** OutputPage::replaceInternalLinks-setup at 0003.774 in 0016.715 (65.4%) - **** OutputPage::replaceInternalLinks-loop at 0003.768 in 0016.721 (65.4%) - *** OutputPage::replaceInternalLinks at 0003.597 in 0016.925 (66.2%) - ** OutputPage::doWikiPass2 at 0003.595 in 0016.928 (66.2%) - * OutputPage::addWikiText at 0000.017 in 0020.506 (80.2%) - Article::view at 0020.523 in 0000.000 ( 0.0%) - * OutputPage::output-headers at 0020.524 in 0000.000 ( 0.0%) - ** Skin::initPage at 0020.524 in 0000.009 ( 0.0%) - ** Skin::doBeforeContent at 0020.524 in 0000.010 ( 0.0%) - * OutputPage::output-middle at 0020.534 in 0004.993 (19.5%) - * OutputPage::output-bodytext at 0025.531 in 0000.001 ( 0.0%) - **** wfQuery("SELECT cur_id FROM cur WHERE cur_namespace=1 AND cur_title='List_of_Japan-relate...") at 0025.530 in 0000.002 ( 0.0%) - *** LinkCache::addLink-checkdatabase at 0025.552 in 0000.001 ( 0.0%) - ***** wfQuery("SELECT cur_id FROM cur WHERE cur_namespace=1 AND cur_title='List_of_Japan-relate...") at 0025.551 in 0000.002 ( 0.0%) - **** LinkCache::addLink-checkdatabase at 0025.543 in 0000.019 ( 0.1%) - *** Skin::quickBar at 0025.527 in 0000.035 ( 0.1%) - ** Skin::doAfterContent at 0025.527 in 0000.035 ( 0.1%) - * OutputPage::output-after at 0020.523 in 0005.039 (19.7%) - OutputPage::output _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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