Hello all,
I'm pleased to announce that Wikimania 2008 happening in Alexandria will be from 19th to 21st of July 2008. The Conference will run for 3 days, side events and sechdule shall be announced before the conference begins. Registration for Wikimania will be opened in early march, call for papers will begin in February and Scholarship application will likely begin early next year.
You're all invited to be part of the online team responsible for website maintenance, streaming, etc.. We're holding our first public meeting online on Wikimania 2008 IRC channel on Thursday 13th Dec, at 18:00 UTC. Agenda will include but not limited to: Messaging and slogans for the conference, we didn't yet decide the main theme of the conference and how it will be presented in Egypt or worldwide, your input will be greatly appreciated. See you in Alexandria :)
On behalf of the organizing team, Mohamed Ibrahim [[Mido]] Lead coordinator for Wikimania 2008
Mido wrote:
Hello all,
I'm pleased to announce that Wikimania 2008 happening in Alexandria will be from 19th to 21st of July 2008. The Conference will run for 3 days, side events and sechdule shall be announced before the conference begins. Registration for Wikimania will be opened in early march, call for papers will begin in February and Scholarship application will likely begin early next year.
You're all invited to be part of the online team responsible for website maintenance, streaming, etc.. We're holding our first public meeting online on Wikimania 2008 IRC channel on Thursday 13th Dec, at 18:00 UTC. Agenda will include but not limited to: Messaging and slogans for the conference, we didn't yet decide the main theme of the conference and how it will be presented in Egypt or worldwide, your input will be greatly appreciated. See you in Alexandria :)
On behalf of the organizing team, Mohamed Ibrahim [[Mido]] Lead coordinator for Wikimania 2008
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Hello
Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend that meeting (I would have loved to), but I will be in a train at that time. Can you save the log of the discussion ?
I'll be happy to participate to the program and main theme selection this year :-)
Cheers
Ant
I think it would be a good idea if it would be logged publicly, if no one objects.
On Dec 9, 2007 11:45 AM, Florence Devouard fdevouard@wikimedia.org wrote:
Mido wrote:
Hello all,
I'm pleased to announce that Wikimania 2008 happening in Alexandria will be from 19th to 21st of July 2008. The Conference will run for 3 days, side events and sechdule shall be announced before the conference begins. Registration for Wikimania will be opened in early march, call for papers will begin in February and Scholarship application will likely begin early next year.
You're all invited to be part of the online team responsible for website maintenance, streaming, etc.. We're holding our first public meeting online on Wikimania 2008 IRC channel on Thursday 13th Dec, at 18:00 UTC. Agenda will include but not limited to: Messaging and slogans for the conference, we didn't yet decide the main theme of the conference and how it will be presented in Egypt or worldwide, your input will be greatly appreciated. See you in Alexandria :)
On behalf of the organizing team, Mohamed Ibrahim [[Mido]] Lead coordinator for Wikimania 2008
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Hello
Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend that meeting (I would have loved to), but I will be in a train at that time. Can you save the log of the discussion ?
I'll be happy to participate to the program and main theme selection this year :-)
Cheers
Ant
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per all previous meetings this will be done
mark
On Dec 9, 2007 5:00 PM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
I think it would be a good idea if it would be logged publicly, if no one objects.
On Dec 9, 2007 11:45 AM, Florence Devouard fdevouard@wikimedia.org wrote:
Mido wrote:
Hello all,
I'm pleased to announce that Wikimania 2008 happening in Alexandria
will
be from 19th to 21st of July 2008. The Conference will run for 3 days, side events and sechdule shall be announced before the conference begins. Registration for Wikimania will be opened in early march, call for papers will begin in February and Scholarship application will likely begin early next year.
You're all invited to be part of the online team responsible for
website
maintenance, streaming, etc.. We're holding our first public meeting online on Wikimania 2008 IRC channel on Thursday 13th Dec, at 18:00 UTC. Agenda will include but
not
limited to: Messaging and slogans for the conference, we didn't yet decide the main theme of the conference and how it will be presented
in
Egypt or worldwide, your input will be greatly appreciated. See you in Alexandria :)
On behalf of the organizing team, Mohamed Ibrahim [[Mido]] Lead coordinator for Wikimania 2008
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Hello
Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend that meeting (I would have loved to), but I will be in a train at that time. Can you save the log of the discussion ?
I'll be happy to participate to the program and main theme selection this year :-)
Cheers
Ant
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Ooops...18:00UTC, this time is impossible for me to attend. Pity.
Titan
2007/12/10, Mido mido.architect@gmail.com:
Hello all,
I'm pleased to announce that Wikimania 2008 happening in Alexandria will be from 19th to 21st of July 2008. The Conference will run for 3 days, side events and sechdule shall be announced before the conference begins. Registration for Wikimania will be opened in early march, call for papers will begin in February and Scholarship application will likely begin early next year.
You're all invited to be part of the online team responsible for website maintenance, streaming, etc.. We're holding our first public meeting online on Wikimania 2008 IRC channel on Thursday 13th Dec, at 18:00 UTC. Agenda will include but not limited to: Messaging and slogans for the conference, we didn't yet decide the main theme of the conference and how it will be presented in Egypt or worldwide, your input will be greatly appreciated. See you in Alexandria :)
On behalf of the organizing team, Mohamed Ibrahim [[Mido]] Lead coordinator for Wikimania 2008
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On Dec 10, 2007 3:03 AM, Titan Deng theodoranian@gmail.com wrote:
Ooops...18:00UTC, this time is impossible for me to attend. Pity.
Same to me (3am in Japan), while I'd have loved to attend. For following meeting, time rotation or another hour will be preferable :)
Titan
2007/12/10, Mido mido.architect@gmail.com:
Hello all,
I'm pleased to announce that Wikimania 2008 happening in Alexandria will
be from 19th to 21st of July 2008.
The Conference will run for 3 days, side events and sechdule shall be
announced before the conference begins.
Registration for Wikimania will be opened in early march, call for papers
will begin in February and Scholarship application will likely begin early next year.
You're all invited to be part of the online team responsible for website
maintenance, streaming, etc..
We're holding our first public meeting online on Wikimania 2008 IRC
channel on Thursday 13th Dec, at 18:00 UTC. Agenda will include but not limited to: Messaging and slogans for the conference, we didn't yet decide the main theme of the conference and how it will be presented in Egypt or worldwide, your input will be greatly appreciated.
See you in Alexandria :)
On behalf of the organizing team, Mohamed Ibrahim [[Mido]] Lead coordinator for Wikimania 2008
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On Dec 10, 2007 3:03 AM, Titan Deng theodoranian@gmail.com wrote:
Ooops...18:00UTC, this time is impossible for me to attend. Pity.
Same to me (3am in Japan), while I'd have loved to attend. For following meeting, time rotation or another hour will be preferable :)
Titan
Exactly, it's 4am here in Australia... possibly 20:00UTC would be preferable.
- E
On Dec 10, 2007 11:22 AM, E e.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly, it's 4am here in Australia... possibly 20:00UTC would be preferable.
Not really: 20UTC is for me 4am.
- E
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Corr.
for me 5am, for Titan (and KJ) 4am. While I know some people like this hour (e.g. Board election debate, ComProj meetings), I am worried this tendency to hold Wikimedia relation around 18-20 UTC, moreover to say it "hour good for everyone" (while Mido didn't call it so wisely). Simply there is no such hour which is good for everyone.
Again, time rotation is the best solution in my opinion.
On Dec 10, 2007 11:42 AM, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 10, 2007 11:22 AM, E e.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly, it's 4am here in Australia... possibly 20:00UTC would be preferable.
Not really: 20UTC is for me 4am.
- E
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Hi there,
Since Egypt is the country which will hold the wikimania for 2008 so I think it's so wisely from Mido to adjust the time according to egypt timing as the volunteers ( that will organize it ) can easily be founded , I know these meetings have participations from all over the world.
No offense And this is not official I am just a subscriber !!
Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com wrote: Corr.
for me 5am, for Titan (and KJ) 4am. While I know some people like this hour (e.g. Board election debate, ComProj meetings), I am worried this tendency to hold Wikimedia relation around 18-20 UTC, moreover to say it "hour good for everyone" (while Mido didn't call it so wisely). Simply there is no such hour which is good for everyone.
Again, time rotation is the best solution in my opinion.
On Dec 10, 2007 11:42 AM, Aphaia wrote:
On Dec 10, 2007 11:22 AM, E wrote:
Exactly, it's 4am here in Australia... possibly 20:00UTC would be preferable.
Not really: 20UTC is for me 4am.
- E
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Well, I happen to disagree. We already held 3 wikimanias, and I think a big part of their success was because it was organized by wikipedians from every part of the planet. Of course, there was always more local people involved, but there was not ONLY local people; When it comes to the very practical organization (such as accomodations, decoration of the rooms and other renting of microphone, it is cleaer the local team will be first on the front and it makes sense to choose meeting times which primarily fit with their schedule.
However, when it comes to stuff like program, international involvement is expected and priority should be given to accomodating as many of people as possible. If that involves making smaller action groups or rotating hours of meetings, so be it. We will never be able to satisfy everyone. But we can make efforts.
Ant
Smart Robots wrote:
Hi there,
Since Egypt is the country which will hold the wikimania for 2008 so I think it's so wisely from Mido to adjust the time according to egypt timing as the volunteers ( that will organize it ) can easily be founded , I know these meetings have participations from all over the world.
No offense And this is not official I am just a subscriber !!
*/Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com/* wrote:
Corr. for me 5am, for Titan (and KJ) 4am. While I know some people like this hour (e.g. Board election debate, ComProj meetings), I am worried this tendency to hold Wikimedia relation around 18-20 UTC, moreover to say it "hour good for everyone" (while Mido didn't call it so wisely). Simply there is no such hour which is good for everyone. Again, time rotation is the best solution in my opinion. On Dec 10, 2007 11:42 AM, Aphaia wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 11:22 AM, E wrote: > > Exactly, it's 4am here in Australia... possibly 20:00UTC would be > > preferable. > > Not really: 20UTC is for me 4am. > > > > - E > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimania-l mailing list > > Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > > > > > > -- > KIZU Naoko > http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) > Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD > -- KIZU Naoko http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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I suggest that Sundays might be a good day, at least for me. Don't know if this helps others? I cannot access IRC while I am at work, which means I'm only available M-F, 00:00 to 07:00 UTC. However, I am usually available on Sundays, pretty much anytime. In Egypt, don't you observe the weekend on Friday-Saturday? so don't know if Sunday would be acceptable or good for you? Or rotating times/days also works, so maybe I can make some of the sessions.
Of course, don't know how necessary my participation is at this point. I would like to help with scholarships (help find funding), and other ways I can help. Just to let you know, I may be in Cairo for the summer (June - August), to take part in the summer language program. I know Cairo isn't that close to Alexandria, but it might makes it easier for me to help.
Regards (تحياتي) Aude
On Dec 10, 2007 12:36 PM, Florence Devouard fdevouard@wikimedia.org wrote:
Well, I happen to disagree. We already held 3 wikimanias, and I think a big part of their success was because it was organized by wikipedians from every part of the planet. Of course, there was always more local people involved, but there was not ONLY local people; When it comes to the very practical organization (such as accomodations, decoration of the rooms and other renting of microphone, it is cleaer the local team will be first on the front and it makes sense to choose meeting times which primarily fit with their schedule.
However, when it comes to stuff like program, international involvement is expected and priority should be given to accomodating as many of people as possible. If that involves making smaller action groups or rotating hours of meetings, so be it. We will never be able to satisfy everyone. But we can make efforts.
Ant
Smart Robots wrote:
Hi there,
Since Egypt is the country which will hold the wikimania for 2008 so I think it's so wisely from Mido to adjust the time according to egypt timing as the volunteers ( that will organize it ) can easily be founded , I know these meetings have participations from all over the world.
No offense And this is not official I am just a subscriber !!
*/Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com/* wrote:
Corr. for me 5am, for Titan (and KJ) 4am. While I know some people like this hour (e.g. Board election debate, ComProj meetings), I am worried this tendency to hold Wikimedia relation around 18-20 UTC, moreover to say it "hour good foreveryone"
(while Mido didn't call it so wisely). Simply there is no such hour which is good for everyone. Again, time rotation is the best solution in my opinion. On Dec 10, 2007 11:42 AM, Aphaia wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 11:22 AM, E wrote: > > Exactly, it's 4am here in Australia... possibly 20:00UTC wouldbe
> > preferable. > > Not really: 20UTC is for me 4am. > > > > - E > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimania-l mailing list > > Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > > > > > > -- > KIZU Naoko > http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) > Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD > -- KIZU Naoko http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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It would be nice if a rotation scheme were adopted as a standard for ongoing international meetings... also style guidelines for how to publish and translate minutes.
For a brief time it seemed that a universal collection of minutes and meeting-reports might gather on meta; that would at least be a fine place to keep these kinds of rules of thumb for avoiding this type of debate every time an international group gets together to plan something over a number of sessions.
--SJ, missing regular public meetings
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Florence Devouard wrote:
Well, I happen to disagree. We already held 3 wikimanias, and I think a big part of their success was because it was organized by wikipedians from every part of the planet. Of course, there was always more local people involved, but there was not ONLY local people; When it comes to the very practical organization (such as accomodations, decoration of the rooms and other renting of microphone, it is cleaer the local team will be first on the front and it makes sense to choose meeting times which primarily fit with their schedule.
However, when it comes to stuff like program, international involvement is expected and priority should be given to accomodating as many of people as possible. If that involves making smaller action groups or rotating hours of meetings, so be it. We will never be able to satisfy everyone. But we can make efforts.
Ant
Smart Robots wrote:
Hi there,
Since Egypt is the country which will hold the wikimania for 2008 so I think it's so wisely from Mido to adjust the time according to egypt timing as the volunteers ( that will organize it ) can easily be founded , I know these meetings have participations from all over the world.
No offense And this is not official I am just a subscriber !!
*/Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com/* wrote:
Corr. for me 5am, for Titan (and KJ) 4am. While I know some people like this hour (e.g. Board election debate, ComProj meetings), I am worried this tendency to hold Wikimedia relation around 18-20 UTC, moreover to say it "hour good for everyone" (while Mido didn't call it so wisely). Simply there is no such hour which is good for everyone. Again, time rotation is the best solution in my opinion. On Dec 10, 2007 11:42 AM, Aphaia wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 11:22 AM, E wrote: >> Exactly, it's 4am here in Australia... possibly 20:00UTC would be >> preferable. > > Not really: 20UTC is for me 4am. >> >> - E >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> > > > > > -- > KIZU Naoko > http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) > Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD > -- KIZU Naoko http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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Maybe I can join the IRC meeting since I'm in UTC-8 (PST) now and it would be 10am for me at that time....
Ted
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From: wikimania-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimania-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Titan Deng Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:03 AM To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2008 date & first IRC public meeting
Ooops...18:00UTC, this time is impossible for me to attend. Pity.
Titan
2007/12/10, Mido mido.architect@gmail.com:
Hello all,
I'm pleased to announce that Wikimania 2008 happening in Alexandria will be from 19th to 21st of July 2008. The Conference will run for 3 days, side events and sechdule shall be announced before the conference begins. Registration for Wikimania will be opened in early march, call for papers will begin in February and Scholarship application will likely begin early next year.
You're all invited to be part of the online team responsible for website maintenance, streaming, etc.. We're holding our first public meeting online on Wikimania 2008 IRC channel on Thursday 13th Dec, at 18:00 UTC. Agenda will include but not limited to: Messaging and slogans for the conference, we didn't yet decide the main theme of the conference and how it will be presented in Egypt or worldwide, your input will be greatly appreciated. See you in Alexandria :)
On behalf of the organizing team, Mohamed Ibrahim [[Mido]] Lead coordinator for Wikimania 2008
Hi Mido,
I'll try to be there on time, it's about 2:00am here I think.
regards,
Tzu-Chiang
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Mido wrote:
Hello all,
I'm pleased to announce that Wikimania 2008 happening in Alexandria will be from 19th to 21st of July 2008. The Conference will run for 3 days, side events and sechdule shall be announced before the conference begins. Registration for Wikimania will be opened in early march, call for papers will begin in February and Scholarship application will likely begin early next year.
You're all invited to be part of the online team responsible for website maintenance, streaming, etc.. We're holding our first public meeting online on Wikimania 2008 IRC channel on Thursday 13th Dec, at 18:00 UTC. Agenda will include but not limited to: Messaging and slogans for the conference, we didn't yet decide the main theme of the conference and how it will be presented in Egypt or worldwide, your input will be greatly appreciated. See you in Alexandria :)
On behalf of the organizing team, Mohamed Ibrahim [[Mido]] Lead coordinator for Wikimania 2008
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IDear all,
It is going to be pretty late in the night for most of the Asians. ( 11:30 PM IST ) Wouldn't it be possible to come to a consensus via discussion so that most of us would be able to comfortably attend the meeting? Just a thought.
--Anirudh
On Dec 10, 2007 1:44 PM, TzuChiang Liou tcliou@iis.sinica.edu.tw wrote:
Hi Mido,
I'll try to be there on time, it's about 2:00am here I think.
regards,
Tzu-Chiang
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Mido wrote:
Hello all,
I'm pleased to announce that Wikimania 2008 happening in Alexandria will be from 19th to 21st of July 2008. The Conference will run for 3 days, side events and sechdule shall be announced before the conference begins. Registration for Wikimania will be opened in early march, call for papers will begin in February and Scholarship application will likely begin early next year.
You're all invited to be part of the online team responsible for website maintenance, streaming, etc.. We're holding our first public meeting online on Wikimania 2008 IRC channel on Thursday 13th Dec, at 18:00 UTC. Agenda will include but not limited to: Messaging and slogans for the conference, we didn't yet decide the main theme of the conference and how it will be presented in Egypt or worldwide, your input will be greatly appreciated. See you in Alexandria :)
On behalf of the organizing team, Mohamed Ibrahim [[Mido]] Lead coordinator for Wikimania 2008
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Anirudh wrote:
IDear all,
It is going to be pretty late in the night for most of the Asians. ( 11:30 PM IST ) Wouldn't it be possible to come to a consensus via discussion so that most of us would be able to comfortably attend the meeting? Just a thought.
--Anirudh
We held the last bidding meeting at 15:00 UTC, which seemed to work for almost everyone in the world. I think it would suck for Alaska, Hawaii and Fiji--but the rest...
but please in that case, do it in the week end :) That way also the europeans with a job or school can attend :)
2007/12/10, Cary Bass cbass@wikimedia.org:
Anirudh wrote:
IDear all,
It is going to be pretty late in the night for most of the Asians. ( 11:30 PM IST ) Wouldn't it be possible to come to a consensus via discussion so that most of us would be able to comfortably attend the meeting? Just a thought.
--Anirudh
We held the last bidding meeting at 15:00 UTC, which seemed to work for almost everyone in the world. I think it would suck for Alaska, Hawaii and Fiji--but the rest...
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Cary Bass wrote:
Anirudh wrote:
IDear all,
It is going to be pretty late in the night for most of the Asians. ( 11:30 PM IST ) Wouldn't it be possible to come to a consensus via discussion so that most of us would be able to comfortably attend the meeting? Just a thought.
We held the last bidding meeting at 15:00 UTC, which seemed to work for almost everyone in the world. I think it would suck for Alaska, Hawaii and Fiji--but the rest...
It's not so hot for Australia; nor even for Japan & San Francisco. SJ
SJ Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Cary Bass wrote:
Anirudh wrote:
IDear all,
It is going to be pretty late in the night for most of the Asians. ( 11:30 PM IST ) Wouldn't it be possible to come to a consensus via discussion so that most of us would be able to comfortably attend the meeting? Just a thought.
We held the last bidding meeting at 15:00 UTC, which seemed to work for almost everyone in the world. I think it would suck for Alaska, Hawaii and Fiji--but the rest...
It's not so hot for Australia; nor even for Japan & San Francisco. SJ
Not so hot but manageable for all of them. Yes, it's early for San Francisco...we'll have to learn to wake up real early :)
1) I can make the meeting tomorrow, I believe; see you then!
2) IIRC 16:00UTC turned out to be the optimal time for public meetings when we were trying to include both the Americas and Asia. 16:00-UTC means: - midnight Taipei - 6:00 pm Cairo - 8:00 am SF - 11:00 am Boston - 5:00 pm Frankfurt - 4:00 pm London - 9:30 pm Dehli
The only city 16:00 UTC is really bad for is Sydney, where it's 3:00am.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=12&day=10&a... For meetings at this time, we probably need to hold them on the weekends for the sake of Europeans & N. Americans.
The alternative is to hold meetings at 8:00/9:00 UTC -- this is good for everyone except the east coast of N. America, where it's 2 or 3 am.
3) What makes sense to me is to implement time rotation, and try to choose public meeting times that work well for everyone, but give slight preference to the needs of the Egyptians -- it is their conference this year, and we should obviously meet at times that work for them. It may be easiest when work gets going to split into smaller groups and have those groups meet at times that work for the people in those groups; that's what we did in 2006.
-- phoebe
On Dec 10, 2007 12:53 PM, Cary Bass cbass@wikimedia.org wrote:
SJ Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Cary Bass wrote:
Anirudh wrote:
IDear all,
It is going to be pretty late in the night for most of the Asians. ( 11:30 PM IST ) Wouldn't it be possible to come to a consensus via discussion so that most of us would be able to comfortably attend the meeting? Just a thought.
We held the last bidding meeting at 15:00 UTC, which seemed to work for almost everyone in the world. I think it would suck for Alaska, Hawaii and Fiji--but the rest...
It's not so hot for Australia; nor even for Japan & San Francisco. SJ
Not so hot but manageable for all of them. Yes, it's early for San Francisco...we'll have to learn to wake up real early :)
-- Cary
On Dec 10, 2007 9:49 PM, phoebe ayers brassratgirl@gmail.com wrote:
- I can make the meeting tomorrow, I believe; see you then!
meeting isnt tommorrow, its thursday, dont be too keen :-)
mark
On Dec 10, 2007 1:54 PM, Wikinews Markie newsmarkie@googlemail.com wrote:
On Dec 10, 2007 9:49 PM, phoebe ayers brassratgirl@gmail.com wrote:
- I can make the meeting tomorrow, I believe; see you then!
meeting isnt tommorrow, its thursday, dont be too keen :-)
mark
Oh, right. Well, it's on one of those "T" days, anyway... at any rate, I'll try to be there :P
On Dec 10, 2007 12:53 PM, Cary Bass cbass@wikimedia.org wrote:
SJ Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Cary Bass wrote:
Anirudh wrote:
IDear all,
It is going to be pretty late in the night for most of the Asians. ( 11:30 PM IST ) Wouldn't it be possible to come to a consensus via discussion so that most of us would be able to comfortably attend the meeting? Just a thought.
We held the last bidding meeting at 15:00 UTC, which seemed to work for almost everyone in the world. I think it would suck for Alaska, Hawaii and Fiji--but the rest...
It's not so hot for Australia; nor even for Japan & San Francisco. SJ
Not so hot but manageable for all of them. Yes, it's early for San Francisco...we'll have to learn to wake up real early :)
-- Cary
Yes, this is true -- 15:00UTC might be better than 16:00 UTC:
- 11pm Taipei - 5:00 pm Cairo - 7:00 am SF - 10:00 am Boston - 4:00 pm Frankfurt - 3:00 pm London - 8:30 pm Dehli - midnight Tokyo - 6:00 am Anchorage ;)
As for getting up early for IRC meetings -- welcome to the west coast! ;)
Those changes still makes it 1am for myself here in Brisbane, Australia (AEST - UTC+10). I am part of the online team so I really would like to attend.
Although my IRC client will be idling throughout the meeting in both Wikimania channels, I'd still like to be there as events unfold.
Is there any more possible changes to times? I'd be able to attend up to 11.30pm (AEST - UTC+10), where I would be forced to sleep (due to work on the same day).
- E
-------------------------------------------------- From: "phoebe ayers" brassratgirl@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:59 AM To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2008 date & first IRC public meeting
On Dec 10, 2007 12:53 PM, Cary Bass cbass@wikimedia.org wrote:
SJ Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Cary Bass wrote:
Anirudh wrote:
IDear all,
It is going to be pretty late in the night for most of the Asians. ( 11:30 PM IST ) Wouldn't it be possible to come to a consensus via discussion so that most of us would be able to comfortably attend the meeting? Just a thought.
We held the last bidding meeting at 15:00 UTC, which seemed to work for almost everyone in the world. I think it would suck for Alaska, Hawaii and Fiji--but the rest...
It's not so hot for Australia; nor even for Japan & San Francisco. SJ
Not so hot but manageable for all of them. Yes, it's early for San Francisco...we'll have to learn to wake up real early :)
-- Cary
Yes, this is true -- 15:00UTC might be better than 16:00 UTC:
- 11pm Taipei
- 5:00 pm Cairo
- 7:00 am SF
- 10:00 am Boston
- 4:00 pm Frankfurt
- 3:00 pm London
- 8:30 pm Dehli
- midnight Tokyo
- 6:00 am Anchorage ;)
As for getting up early for IRC meetings -- welcome to the west coast! ;)
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As you can see throughout the thread, there are plans to rotate the timings of meetings. However, I believe this meeting time probably will not be changing. :'(
On Dec 10, 2007 5:50 PM, E e.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Those changes still makes it 1am for myself here in Brisbane, Australia (AEST - UTC+10). I am part of the online team so I really would like to attend.
Although my IRC client will be idling throughout the meeting in both Wikimania channels, I'd still like to be there as events unfold.
Is there any more possible changes to times? I'd be able to attend up to 11.30pm (AEST - UTC+10), where I would be forced to sleep (due to work on the same day).
- E
From: "phoebe ayers" brassratgirl@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:59 AM To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2008 date & first IRC public meeting
On Dec 10, 2007 12:53 PM, Cary Bass cbass@wikimedia.org wrote:
SJ Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Cary Bass wrote:
Anirudh wrote:
IDear all,
It is going to be pretty late in the night for most of the Asians. ( 11:30 PM IST ) Wouldn't it be possible to come to a consensus via discussion so that most of us would be able to comfortably attend the meeting? Just a thought.
We held the last bidding meeting at 15:00 UTC, which seemed to work for almost everyone in the world. I think it would suck for Alaska, Hawaii and Fiji--but the rest...
It's not so hot for Australia; nor even for Japan & San Francisco. SJ
Not so hot but manageable for all of them. Yes, it's early for San Francisco...we'll have to learn to wake up real early :)
-- Cary
Yes, this is true -- 15:00UTC might be better than 16:00 UTC:
- 11pm Taipei
- 5:00 pm Cairo
- 7:00 am SF
- 10:00 am Boston
- 4:00 pm Frankfurt
- 3:00 pm London
- 8:30 pm Dehli
- midnight Tokyo
- 6:00 am Anchorage ;)
As for getting up early for IRC meetings -- welcome to the west coast! ;)
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So is the meeting to be held at 1800 UTC as Mito wrote, or it's been changed to 1600 UTC as we are discussing now?
I guess I have to get up early at 7am to join the meeting if it's 1600 UTC, but it would be fine. ;)
Ted
-----Original Message----- From: Casey Brown
As you can see throughout the thread, there are plans to rotate the timings of meetings. However, I believe this meeting time probably will not be changing. :'(
On Dec 10, 2007 5:50 PM, E e.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Those changes still makes it 1am for myself here in Brisbane, Australia (AEST - UTC+10). I am part of the online team so I really would like to attend.
Although my IRC client will be idling throughout the meeting in both Wikimania channels, I'd still like to be there as events unfold.
Is there any more possible changes to times? I'd be able to attend up to 11.30pm (AEST - UTC+10), where I would be forced to sleep (due to work on the same day).
- E
From: "phoebe ayers" brassratgirl@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:59 AM To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2008 date & first IRC public meeting
On Dec 10, 2007 12:53 PM, Cary Bass cbass@wikimedia.org wrote:
SJ Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Cary Bass wrote:
Anirudh wrote:
IDear all,
It is going to be pretty late in the night for most of the Asians. ( 11:30 PM IST ) Wouldn't it be possible to come to a consensus via discussion so that most of us would be able to comfortably attend the meeting? Just a thought.
We held the last bidding meeting at 15:00 UTC, which seemed to work for almost everyone in the world. I think it would suck for Alaska, Hawaii and Fiji--but the rest...
It's not so hot for Australia; nor even for Japan & San Francisco. SJ
Not so hot but manageable for all of them. Yes, it's early for San Francisco...we'll have to learn to wake up real early :)
-- Cary
Yes, this is true -- 15:00UTC might be better than 16:00 UTC:
- 11pm Taipei
- 5:00 pm Cairo
- 7:00 am SF
- 10:00 am Boston
- 4:00 pm Frankfurt
- 3:00 pm London
- 8:30 pm Dehli
- midnight Tokyo
- 6:00 am Anchorage ;)
As for getting up early for IRC meetings -- welcome to the west coast! ;)
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-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023
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I think what this thread really tells us is it would be great to have as much discussion as possible via email and the wiki, where everyone can easily participate, since it's pretty tough to include people from the entire world conveniently in a single meeting. Things like program suggestions, agenda-building, volunteering for tasks etc can all easily happen on the wiki.
For my part, I'd be happy to sit out the occasional meeting so that times are more convenient for others.
For the record, where are interested volunteers for this year's team from? So far, it sounds like: * Japan * Taipei * Brisbane * Europe + UK * Egypt * West Coast N. America * East Coast N. America
-- phoebe
p.s. we should have a bank of those clocks in the new Wikimedia office that show the time all over the world. And some comfortable couches to nap on. p.p.s. my other piece of advice is not to change meeting times once they're chosen; it leads to confusion :P
On Dec 10, 2007 2:50 PM, E e.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Those changes still makes it 1am for myself here in Brisbane, Australia (AEST - UTC+10). I am part of the online team so I really would like to attend.
Although my IRC client will be idling throughout the meeting in both Wikimania channels, I'd still like to be there as events unfold.
Is there any more possible changes to times?
Perhaps we could setup a list on-wiki of people who would like to join in on Wikimania-related meetings similar to what ChapCom does http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_committee/Meeting_agenda?
On Dec 10, 2007 6:30 PM, phoebe ayers brassratgirl@gmail.com wrote:
I think what this thread really tells us is it would be great to have as much discussion as possible via email and the wiki, where everyone can easily participate, since it's pretty tough to include people from the entire world conveniently in a single meeting. Things like program suggestions, agenda-building, volunteering for tasks etc can all easily happen on the wiki.
For my part, I'd be happy to sit out the occasional meeting so that times are more convenient for others.
For the record, where are interested volunteers for this year's team from? So far, it sounds like:
- Japan
- Taipei
- Brisbane
- Europe + UK
- Egypt
- West Coast N. America
- East Coast N. America
-- phoebe
p.s. we should have a bank of those clocks in the new Wikimedia office that show the time all over the world. And some comfortable couches to nap on. p.p.s. my other piece of advice is not to change meeting times once they're chosen; it leads to confusion :P
On Dec 10, 2007 2:50 PM, E e.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Those changes still makes it 1am for myself here in Brisbane, Australia (AEST - UTC+10). I am part of the online team so I really would like to attend.
Although my IRC client will be idling throughout the meeting in both Wikimania channels, I'd still like to be there as events unfold.
Is there any more possible changes to times?
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
Would I be classified as a volunteer if I am on the online team, but not attending Wikimania this time around due to personal commitments around the dates specified?
I will be, however, monitoring IRC and helping update and translate the wiki from my home town of Brisbane during my spare time and over the days of Wikimania.
- E
-------------------------------------------------- From: "phoebe ayers" brassratgirl@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:30 AM To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2008 date & first IRC public meeting
I think what this thread really tells us is it would be great to have as much discussion as possible via email and the wiki, where everyone can easily participate, since it's pretty tough to include people from the entire world conveniently in a single meeting. Things like program suggestions, agenda-building, volunteering for tasks etc can all easily happen on the wiki.
For my part, I'd be happy to sit out the occasional meeting so that times are more convenient for others.
For the record, where are interested volunteers for this year's team from? So far, it sounds like:
- Japan
- Taipei
- Brisbane
- Europe + UK
- Egypt
- West Coast N. America
- East Coast N. America
-- phoebe
p.s. we should have a bank of those clocks in the new Wikimedia office that show the time all over the world. And some comfortable couches to nap on. p.p.s. my other piece of advice is not to change meeting times once they're chosen; it leads to confusion :P
On Dec 10, 2007 2:50 PM, E e.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Those changes still makes it 1am for myself here in Brisbane, Australia (AEST - UTC+10). I am part of the online team so I really would like to attend.
Although my IRC client will be idling throughout the meeting in both Wikimania channels, I'd still like to be there as events unfold.
Is there any more possible changes to times?
Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
On Dec 11, 2007 5:53 AM, Cary Bass cbass@wikimedia.org wrote:
SJ Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Cary Bass wrote:
We held the last bidding meeting at 15:00 UTC, which seemed to work for almost everyone in the world. I think it would suck for Alaska, Hawaii and Fiji--but the rest...
It's not so hot for Australia; nor even for Japan & San Francisco. SJ
Not so hot but manageable for all of them. Yes, it's early for San Francisco...we'll have to learn to wake up real early :)
I am relaxed in this issue - could we find multiple slots we want to try possibly? How about blackout/grayout hour time table on wiki and then find to preferred schedule as many as possible?
For example, I'm not sure a 2 hour meeting which begins at 1am (for some Australians in +1000, 15 UTC is 1am iirc) is always manageable. In the late hours, one hour difference affects your condition greatly. When I organize a meeting with my European/US Wikimedia colleagues, I prefer to start it at 1400 UTC (23 in Tokyo, 16 or 15 in Rome). 0700 UTC worked too (16 in Tokyo, 9 or 8 in Rome). That is why I suggest there may be multiple options.
I agree with Anthere - our past success has come from our diversity - the fact we are a global team. In this very reason I think the convenience of Alex team - at least of core members of Alex team are worthy to consider in scheduling, specially none of them have been members of the past teams. They need to be integrated into the team - there should be one team, not two divided teams "local" and "global". A team needs to have a core, and we have Mido of Alexandria as our lead organizer this year. It would benefit the team as a whole to have him involved into spheres as long as he wants: let him decide what he would like to observe first and then what he would like to delegate other volunteers.
Besides that, as Eia mentioned, it is very important for most of us volunteers to have it out of office working hours. So it is worthy to consider to have it in the weekend as default. I am aware it would be a pain for WMF staff, to have a meeting out of their usual office hours, but it would be easier to manage than all other volunteers negotiate their bosses to spare two hours during working hours, and WMF may find wisely compensations for its employees <g>.
After reading all this, I was just starting to think, it might be useful to use www.doodle.ch to plan the time. Here you could put in checkboxes for each hour of the day and then let all the potential participants check which times work for them. At the end, you see which time has the most checks, and then choose that.
Best wishes, Chuck
I appreciate the input from everyone here regarding the convenient time for everyone. That was really helpful to see who's interested to attend and what might be an obstacle for them. for the very next meeting, I think we should stick to the 18:00 decided and have a wiki page with all possible suitable timings for most people and then decide upon it the next meeting time. Either 15:00 or 16:00 UTC is fine, we can a comparison page as I said on wiki and see what's best for most people. meanwhile, I think like Phoebe said, what we need more is discussions over the mailing list and wiki pages, that would give better results in my opinion, but we must have meetings from time to time online and in real life as here in Alexandria.
Meeting on Thursday will be as announced at 18:00 UTC just to avoid confusion :) log will be available once finished and minutes will be posted here so that everybody can get what happened there.
best regards,
Mido
On Dec 11, 2007 10:34 AM, Chuck Smith csmith@hs-heilbronn.de wrote:
After reading all this, I was just starting to think, it might be useful to use www.doodle.ch to plan the time. Here you could put in checkboxes for each hour of the day and then let all the potential participants check which times work for them. At the end, you see which time has the most checks, and then choose that.
Best wishes, Chuck
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Hi Mido,
First of all I am sorry for contacting you thru this mail list but I couldn't find any private mail that belongs to you....anyway.. Can we talk in private about being a volunteer for the wikimania that will be held in 2008 at alex.
More info I can give in private if we can !!!
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