Mido wrote: Hello Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend that meeting (I would have loved to), but I will be in a train at that time. Can you save the log of the discussion ? I'll be happy to participate to the program and main theme selection this year :-) Cheers Ant

per all previous meetings this will be done mark On Dec 9, 2007 5:00 PM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Dec 10, 2007 3:03 AM, Titan Deng <theodoranian(a)gmail.com> wrote: Same to me (3am in Japan), while I'd have loved to attend. For following meeting, time rotation or another hour will be preferable :) -- KIZU Naoko http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD

On Dec 10, 2007 11:22 AM, E <e.wikipedia(a)gmail.com> wrote: Not really: 20UTC is for me 4am. -- KIZU Naoko http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD

Maybe I can join the IRC meeting since I'm in UTC-8 (PST) now and it would be 10am for me at that time.... Ted _____ From: wikimania-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimania-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Titan Deng Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:03 AM To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2008 date & first IRC public meeting Ooops...18:00UTC, this time is impossible for me to attend. Pity. Titan 2007/12/10, Mido &lt;mido.architect(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: Hello all, I'm pleased to announce that Wikimania 2008 happening in Alexandria will be from 19th to 21st of July 2008. The Conference will run for 3 days, side events and sechdule shall be announced before the conference begins. Registration for Wikimania will be opened in early march, call for papers will begin in February and Scholarship application will likely begin early next year. You're all invited to be part of the online team responsible for website maintenance, streaming, etc.. We're holding our first public meeting online on Wikimania 2008 IRC channel on Thursday 13th Dec, at 18:00 UTC. Agenda will include but not limited to: Messaging and slogans for the conference, we didn't yet decide the main theme of the conference and how it will be presented in Egypt or worldwide, your input will be greatly appreciated. See you in Alexandria :) On behalf of the organizing team, Mohamed Ibrahim [[Mido]] Lead coordinator for Wikimania 2008 -- - Arabic Wikipedia: http://ar.wikipedia.org/ "Share your knowledge" _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org> http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Support the Wikimedia Foundation: http://donate.wikimedia.org

IDear all, It is going to be pretty late in the night for most of the Asians. ( 11:30 PM IST ) Wouldn't it be possible to come to a consensus via discussion so that most of us would be able to comfortably attend the meeting? Just a thought. --Anirudh On Dec 10, 2007 1:44 PM, TzuChiang Liou &lt;tcliou(a)iis.sinica.edu.tw&gt; wrote:

but please in that case, do it in the week end :) That way also the europeans with a job or school can attend :) 2007/12/10, Cary Bass &lt;cbass(a)wikimedia.org&gt;rg>:

Well, I happen to disagree. We already held 3 wikimanias, and I think a big part of their success was because it was organized by wikipedians from every part of the planet. Of course, there was always more local people involved, but there was not ONLY local people; When it comes to the very practical organization (such as accomodations, decoration of the rooms and other renting of microphone, it is cleaer the local team will be first on the front and it makes sense to choose meeting times which primarily fit with their schedule. However, when it comes to stuff like program, international involvement is expected and priority should be given to accomodating as many of people as possible. If that involves making smaller action groups or rotating hours of meetings, so be it. We will never be able to satisfy everyone. But we can make efforts. Ant Smart Robots wrote:

It would be nice if a rotation scheme were adopted as a standard for ongoing international meetings... also style guidelines for how to publish and translate minutes. For a brief time it seemed that a universal collection of minutes and meeting-reports might gather on meta; that would at least be a fine place to keep these kinds of rules of thumb for avoiding this type of debate every time an international group gets together to plan something over a number of sessions. --SJ, missing regular public meetings On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Florence Devouard wrote:

SJ Klein wrote: Not so hot but manageable for all of them. Yes, it's early for San Francisco...we'll have to learn to wake up real early :) -- Cary

On Dec 10, 2007 9:49 PM, phoebe ayers &lt;brassratgirl(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: meeting isnt tommorrow, its thursday, dont be too keen :-) mark

On Dec 10, 2007 12:53 PM, Cary Bass &lt;cbass(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: Yes, this is true -- 15:00UTC might be better than 16:00 UTC: - 11pm Taipei - 5:00 pm Cairo - 7:00 am SF - 10:00 am Boston - 4:00 pm Frankfurt - 3:00 pm London - 8:30 pm Dehli - midnight Tokyo - 6:00 am Anchorage ;) As for getting up early for IRC meetings -- welcome to the west coast! ;)

As you can see throughout the thread, there are plans to rotate the timings of meetings. However, I believe this meeting time probably will not be changing. :'( On Dec 10, 2007 5:50 PM, E &lt;e.wikipedia(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost.

So is the meeting to be held at 1800 UTC as Mito wrote, or it's been changed to 1600 UTC as we are discussing now? I guess I have to get up early at 7am to join the meeting if it's 1600 UTC, but it would be fine. ;) Ted -----Original Message----- From: Casey Brown As you can see throughout the thread, there are plans to rotate the timings of meetings. However, I believe this meeting time probably will not be changing. :'( On Dec 10, 2007 5:50 PM, E &lt;e.wikipedia(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

Would I be classified as a volunteer if I am on the online team, but not attending Wikimania this time around due to personal commitments around the dates specified? I will be, however, monitoring IRC and helping update and translate the wiki from my home town of Brisbane during my spare time and over the days of Wikimania. - E -------------------------------------------------- From: "phoebe ayers" &lt;brassratgirl(a)gmail.com&gt; Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:30 AM To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" &lt;wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2008 date & first IRC public meeting

On Dec 11, 2007 5:53 AM, Cary Bass &lt;cbass(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: I am relaxed in this issue - could we find multiple slots we want to try possibly? How about blackout/grayout hour time table on wiki and then find to preferred schedule as many as possible? For example, I'm not sure a 2 hour meeting which begins at 1am (for some Australians in +1000, 15 UTC is 1am iirc) is always manageable. In the late hours, one hour difference affects your condition greatly. When I organize a meeting with my European/US Wikimedia colleagues, I prefer to start it at 1400 UTC (23 in Tokyo, 16 or 15 in Rome). 0700 UTC worked too (16 in Tokyo, 9 or 8 in Rome). That is why I suggest there may be multiple options. I agree with Anthere - our past success has come from our diversity - the fact we are a global team. In this very reason I think the convenience of Alex team - at least of core members of Alex team are worthy to consider in scheduling, specially none of them have been members of the past teams. They need to be integrated into the team - there should be one team, not two divided teams "local" and "global". A team needs to have a core, and we have Mido of Alexandria as our lead organizer this year. It would benefit the team as a whole to have him involved into spheres as long as he wants: let him decide what he would like to observe first and then what he would like to delegate other volunteers. Besides that, as Eia mentioned, it is very important for most of us volunteers to have it out of office working hours. So it is worthy to consider to have it in the weekend as default. I am aware it would be a pain for WMF staff, to have a meeting out of their usual office hours, but it would be easier to manage than all other volunteers negotiate their bosses to spare two hours during working hours, and WMF may find wisely compensations for its employees <g>. -- KIZU Naoko http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD

I appreciate the input from everyone here regarding the convenient time for everyone. That was really helpful to see who's interested to attend and what might be an obstacle for them. for the very next meeting, I think we should stick to the 18:00 decided and have a wiki page with all possible suitable timings for most people and then decide upon it the next meeting time. Either 15:00 or 16:00 UTC is fine, we can a comparison page as I said on wiki and see what's best for most people. meanwhile, I think like Phoebe said, what we need more is discussions over the mailing list and wiki pages, that would give better results in my opinion, but we must have meetings from time to time online and in real life as here in Alexandria. Meeting on Thursday will be as announced at 18:00 UTC just to avoid confusion :) log will be available once finished and minutes will be posted here so that everybody can get what happened there. best regards, Mido On Dec 11, 2007 10:34 AM, Chuck Smith &lt;csmith(a)hs-heilbronn.de&gt; wrote: -- - Arabic Wikipedia: http://ar.wikipedia.org/ "Share your knowledge"