Thanks Marc. So - has the WMF committed to fund a 2018 Wikimania? If they haven't, then how is one going to happen? And while I wasn't entirely sure what to make of the WMF's consultation about the future of Wikimania, I can also see some methodological flaws in conducting a consultation among the group of people who come to the "future of Wikimania" session at Wikimania. Regards, Chris On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Marc-Andre <marc(a)uberbox.org> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

There is only one body that can make funding commitments: the WMF board of trustees.

Wikimania doesn't have to stand or fall with WMF funding.

On 2016-07-08 10:01 AM, Chris Keating wrote: Wikimania is, and always was, a community led and organized event. The WMF, as its traditional biggest sponsor[1], has a great deal of influence in the matter - but ultimately no decision power beyond "fund and resource or not". The committee's decision has indeed taken into account the consultation you refer to - as well as the roundtable discussion on the "Future of Wikimania" that took place earlier[2]. Our evaluation, which is reflected in that resolution, is that the consultation was clearly flawed and that its conclusion does not reflect consensus - neither of the community members who organize nor of those who attend Wikimania. -- Coren / Marc [1] Although "underwrite" might be a better term - the WMF has pretty much shouldered the vast majority of the costs and given the most logistical support year in and year out. [2] Where the consensus was to overwhelmingly reject that consultation's conclusion in favor or continuing with Wikimania as a yearly even given its irreplaceable role in our movement. _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

Hi everyone, The same question was raised to the board a few days ago by chairs of Wikimedia organizations asking Foundation's board to make sure there's a comprehensive decision on this very topic. The chairs letter wasn't public, I let them share it on meta or here if they want to :) First step, in my opinion, is to set expectations and define the scope (in the role of the event but also in the ressources (both human and financial) we commit to the event. Katherine is working with the staff to provide groundings. Here is the answer I provided them with. ---- Hi chairs! First of all, thank you with the email, the feedback is clearly useful and raises interesting point. Now, the Wikimania discussion definitly is on the table. Living by what we said during Wikimania, we, as WMF, will make sure we end up with a clear answer to your questions but also to the different points you raise. Wikimania is an important time in our movement, but as you said it also comes with costs and challenges that we have to adress. Katherine is going to meet in the coming days with the staff in charge of that topic to start that discussion within WMF and provide groundings for a comprehensive decision. We will try to be as diligent as possible on that topic, but I would ask you to keep in mind that as we're in a transition phase and that might take a little more time than you could expect. Again thank you for your email, I love the fact that he raises issues but also includes the challenges we have to take care of :) We'll get back to you as soon as possible to continue that discussion. Have all a really great day / night :) Christophe While I concur with Coren’s conclusion, I’ll try to neutrally report on the events at Wikimania which led to this result. :) Full disclosure: I’m a fan of Wikimania being yearly, and was asked to serve on the Wikimania Committee after Esino Lario. I was also the main moderator of the Wikimania 2016 session on the “Future of Wikimania.” These views are my own, and not anything official from the committee. Background: Many folks (I’d say a majority) who I talked to in Esino Lario early in the conference thought that the decision to do Wikimania every other year was a done deal, as a result of the IdeaLab consultation. I told them that might not necessarily be so. The vote was close, not particularly widely known, and we could still be heard. Chris Schilling from the WMF, who oversaw the Idealab consultation, sought me out specifically at the start of the conference and to my delight, said that the consultation was “just another data point,” and that it was by no means the final word on things. Obviously, this was good news to people who were interested in keeping a yearly Wikimania. I was scheduled to moderate the “Future of Wikimania” discussion session [1] at the very end of the conference, and encouraged people to let their views be heard. It was under these conditions that we entered into the final discussion room and I asked Chris Schilling to give an opening statement to the room. Most people were happy to hear him say that it was “just another data point.” During the discussion, there was overwhelming support to keep Wikimania going every year, which is not a surprise considering this was *at* Wikimania. I encourage folks to peruse the Etherpad notes, which are quite extensive and expertly done by several folks there. Some views I’d highlight: - Having yearly Wikimania is important to keep the momentum of the movement going, according to many - A case for cancelling yearly Wikimania was to encourage/fund regional meetups. However, there is no guarantee that those regional meetups would actually take place, or that WMF would necessarily take the money saved from Wikimania to fund them. Some folks from Asia specifically said that there is weaker linguistic, cultural and geographic synergy for an “Asian” conference like there is in Europe and Africa, which is why it has been hard to do one. - One person noted that one trip to Wikimania served the same role as several international trips to get the same benefit from meeting other Wikimedians/developers, so there are indeed cost efficiencies in having a central conference. Thanks. [1] https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Discussions/The_future_of_Wikimania [2] https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Wikimania2016-discussion7b -Andrew Lih Associate professor of journalism, American University Email: andrew(a)andrewlih.com WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Marc-Andre <marc(a)uberbox.org> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

Le 08/07/16 à 16:01, Chris Keating a écrit : Pointing out that the minutes do not say that it will be in sub-Saharan Africa. It says "The CfP should identify the priority given for that year to Sub-Saharan Africa, noting that there is expressed interest in hosting in the Republic of South Africa. " The difference is subtle, but there is a difference. The committee actually drafted an official announcement, which was supposed to be published quickly after the committee minutes. But we have been asked to refrain from publishing our announcement until after the WMF has been consulted on the matter. I am happy to disclose the sentence currently drafted for our (not yet published) announcement, which is "Considering this, the Committee has a mild preference for Sub-Saharan Africa for 2018, but is of course willing to look at proposals for hosting Wikimania 2018 in other locations. " Florence _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

Oh. Good point ! The term "interest" referred to Wikimedia South Africa, which expressed interest into etc. During Wikimania, various groups were approached by us (by Ellie). And other groups approached us. To express their interest in holding Wikimania in the future. For example, on Sunday evening, at Pizzeria 51, a few minutes before the sky decided to fall on our heads, I was told Bangkok was interested for 2020 ! Florence Le 08/07/16 à 21:50, Lodewijk a écrit : _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

Thanks for the clarification, Florence. If I may ask another: the 'interest' expressed, does that refer to interest expressed by South-African Wikimedians, or by the Committee? Best, Lodewijk 2016-07-08 21:38 GMT+02:00 Florence Devouard <fdevouard(a)gmail.com>om>: _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l