You mean try and slip across the border unnoticed? The consequences if you were caught would be very serious. I don't think the wikimedia movement can condone illegal immigration in order to attend wikimania. On Nov 1, 2011 10:58 PM, "Justin Quintal" cestmoijustin@gmail.com wrote:
Well, not that, but to make it easier heh
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You mean try and slip across the border unnoticed? The consequences if you were caught would be very serious. I don't think the wikimedia movement can condone illegal immigration in order to attend wikimania. On Nov 1, 2011 10:58 PM, "Justin Quintal" cestmoijustin@gmail.com wrote:
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How would it be easier? On Nov 2, 2011 1:23 AM, "Justin Quintal" cestmoijustin@gmail.com wrote:
Well, not that, but to make it easier heh
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You mean try and slip across the border unnoticed? The consequences if you were caught would be very serious. I don't think the wikimedia movement can condone illegal immigration in order to attend wikimania. On Nov 1, 2011 10:58 PM, "Justin Quintal" cestmoijustin@gmail.com wrote:
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On 2 November 2011 01:22, Justin Quintal cestmoijustin@gmail.com wrote:
Well, not that, but to make it easier heh
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You mean try and slip across the border unnoticed? The consequences if you were caught would be very serious. I don't think the wikimedia movement can condone illegal immigration in order to attend wikimania. On Nov 1, 2011 10:58 PM, "Justin Quintal" cestmoijustin@gmail.com wrote:
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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Justin, canadians also need visa to be in USA, so ask for a canandian visa doesn't help.
Canadians don't need a visa for most short visits. But by "Canadians" I mean people with a Canadian passport. If you have a Brazilian passport, it doesn't matter how you enter the US (by air, land or sea, directly from Brazil or via Canada), you will need a US visa. A Canadian visa won't help you get into the US at all: the US and Canada are separate countries with border controls between them (the border isn't open like the one between the UK and Ireland, or the borders between Schengen countries in Europe).
That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some consulates elsewhere. But this is probably not allowed in most circumstances if you're not a Canadian citizen. In the OP's case where his country of citizenship doesn't have a consulate or embassy and he's gonna have to apply in a third country anyway, it might just be allowed, I guess. But Canada is a lot farther from Iran than Turkey or the UAE and doesn't have visa-free travel for Iranians either, so you'd have to get a visa in order to get a visa :P . I wouldn't know what sort of choice you have in choosing the country where you apply for a visa and whether you're allowed to apply in a country farther away from Iran where waiting times are shorter. You should probably talk to an immigration lawyer about that sort of thing.
Roan
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That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some consulates elsewhere.
The waiting times will probably be pretty short for Canadians (in those cases where they need visas). I would expect foreign nationals to have quite a long wait, since the US consulate in Canada won't have experts on Iranians and what checks need to done and won't have systems in place to do those checks quickly. Countries bordering Iran probably do such checks reasonably frequently, so would probably be quicker.
Well, i know that canadian citizens are allowed to enter USA legally without a visa for visiting or studying.
http://canada.usembassy.gov/visas/information-for-canadians.html
Since it's getting cold, people called "Snowbirds" are leaving Canada for USA. They are allowed to stay for *182 days.*
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On 2 November 2011 11:35, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some consulates elsewhere.
The waiting times will probably be pretty short for Canadians (in those cases where they need visas). I would expect foreign nationals to have quite a long wait, since the US consulate in Canada won't have experts on Iranians and what checks need to done and won't have systems in place to do those checks quickly. Countries bordering Iran probably do such checks reasonably frequently, so would probably be quicker.
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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Justin Quintal cestmoijustin@gmail.com wrote:
Well, i know that canadian citizens are allowed to enter USA legally without a visa for visiting or studying. http://canada.usembassy.gov/visas/information-for-canadians.html Since it's getting cold, people called "Snowbirds" are leaving Canada for USA. They are allowed to stay for 182 days.
Yep. Generally speaking, it is easiest for Canadians (i.e. bearers of Canadian passports) to enter the United States. The only thing easier is if you're a U.S. citizen or permanent resident returning to the U.S. It's a more relaxed system because people in border communities (for example: Detroit, Michigan and Windsor, Ontario) tend to cross the border frequently. Migration between the U.S. and Canada is governed by the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, which allows several different kinds of documentation instead of a passport: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Travel_Initiative. For what it's worth, though, it isn't like the old days where a birth certificate or voter registration would have been enough.
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On 2 November 2011 11:35, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some consulates elsewhere.
The waiting times will probably be pretty short for Canadians (in those cases where they need visas). I would expect foreign nationals to have quite a long wait, since the US consulate in Canada won't have experts on Iranians and what checks need to done and won't have systems in place to do those checks quickly. Countries bordering Iran probably do such checks reasonably frequently, so would probably be quicker.
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On 11/02/11 9:31 AM, James Hare wrote:
Yep. Generally speaking, it is easiest for Canadians (i.e. bearers of Canadian passports) to enter the United States. The only thing easier is if you're a U.S. citizen or permanent resident returning to the U.S. It's a more relaxed system because people in border communities (for example: Detroit, Michigan and Windsor, Ontario) tend to cross the border frequently. Migration between the U.S. and Canada is governed by the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, which allows several different kinds of documentation instead of a passport: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Travel_Initiative. For what it's worth, though, it isn't like the old days where a birth certificate or voter registration would have been enough.
Technically a US citizen visiting Canada still needs a passport to re-enter the US. Proving one is a US citizen could be difficult otherwise. I can't say how much this has really been a problem on the practical level.
Ray
Although I should be fascinated by all the details of canadian-US relations, I guess it can be safely concluded that getting only a Canadian visa to enter the US is not an option.
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No dia 24 de Novembro de 2011 10:12, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.netescreveu:
On 11/02/11 9:31 AM, James Hare wrote:
Yep. Generally speaking, it is easiest for Canadians (i.e. bearers of Canadian passports) to enter the United States. The only thing easier is if you're a U.S. citizen or permanent resident returning to the U.S. It's a more relaxed system because people in border communities (for example: Detroit, Michigan and Windsor, Ontario) tend to cross the border frequently. Migration between the U.S. and Canada is governed by the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, which allows several different kinds of documentation instead of a passport: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Travel_Initiative. For what it's worth, though, it isn't like the old days where a birth certificate or voter registration would have been enough.
Technically a US citizen visiting Canada still needs a passport to re-enter the US. Proving one is a US citizen could be difficult otherwise. I can't say how much this has really been a problem on the practical level.
Ray
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Sorry Roan, I wanted to say the same thing you did but i failed.
2nd attempt: Citizens from any other country, with a canadian visa, still need a USA visa to get into USA.
Or more detailed in Roan's mail ;) _____ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484
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On 2 November 2011 10:35, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Justin, canadians also need visa to be in USA, so ask for a canandian
visa
doesn't help.
Canadians don't need a visa for most short visits. But by "Canadians" I mean people with a Canadian passport. If you have a Brazilian passport, it doesn't matter how you enter the US (by air, land or sea, directly from Brazil or via Canada), you will need a US visa. A Canadian visa won't help you get into the US at all: the US and Canada are separate countries with border controls between them (the border isn't open like the one between the UK and Ireland, or the borders between Schengen countries in Europe).
That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some consulates elsewhere. But this is probably not allowed in most circumstances if you're not a Canadian citizen. In the OP's case where his country of citizenship doesn't have a consulate or embassy and he's gonna have to apply in a third country anyway, it might just be allowed, I guess. But Canada is a lot farther from Iran than Turkey or the UAE and doesn't have visa-free travel for Iranians either, so you'd have to get a visa in order to get a visa :P . I wouldn't know what sort of choice you have in choosing the country where you apply for a visa and whether you're allowed to apply in a country farther away from Iran where waiting times are shorter. You should probably talk to an immigration lawyer about that sort of thing.
Roan
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Yeah, i heard that USA is going to open a virtual embassy for Iran...
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Sorry Roan, I wanted to say the same thing you did but i failed.
2nd attempt: Citizens from any other country, with a canadian visa, still need a USA visa to get into USA.
Or more detailed in Roan's mail ;)
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On 2 November 2011 10:35, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Justin, canadians also need visa to be in USA, so ask for a canandian
visa
doesn't help.
Canadians don't need a visa for most short visits. But by "Canadians" I mean people with a Canadian passport. If you have a Brazilian passport, it doesn't matter how you enter the US (by air, land or sea, directly from Brazil or via Canada), you will need a US visa. A Canadian visa won't help you get into the US at all: the US and Canada are separate countries with border controls between them (the border isn't open like the one between the UK and Ireland, or the borders between Schengen countries in Europe).
That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some consulates elsewhere. But this is probably not allowed in most circumstances if you're not a Canadian citizen. In the OP's case where his country of citizenship doesn't have a consulate or embassy and he's gonna have to apply in a third country anyway, it might just be allowed, I guess. But Canada is a lot farther from Iran than Turkey or the UAE and doesn't have visa-free travel for Iranians either, so you'd have to get a visa in order to get a visa :P . I wouldn't know what sort of choice you have in choosing the country where you apply for a visa and whether you're allowed to apply in a country farther away from Iran where waiting times are shorter. You should probably talk to an immigration lawyer about that sort of thing.
Roan
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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:26:11 -0400 From: cestmoijustin@gmail.com To: wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 68, Issue 4
Yeah, i heard that USA is going to open a virtual embassy for Iran...
2011/11/2 Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com
Sorry Roan, I wanted to say the same thing you did but i failed.
2nd attempt: Citizens from any other country, with a canadian visa, still need a USA visa to get into USA.
Or more detailed in Roan's mail ;)_____ Béria Lima (351) 925 171 484
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.
On 2 November 2011 10:35, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Justin, canadians also need visa to be in USA, so ask for a canandian visa
doesn't help.
Canadians don't need a visa for most short visits. But by "Canadians"
I mean people with a Canadian passport. If you have a Brazilian
passport, it doesn't matter how you enter the US (by air, land or sea,
directly from Brazil or via Canada), you will need a US visa. A
Canadian visa won't help you get into the US at all: the US and Canada
are separate countries with border controls between them (the border
isn't open like the one between the UK and Ireland, or the borders
between Schengen countries in Europe).
That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in
Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some
consulates elsewhere. But this is probably not allowed in most
circumstances if you're not a Canadian citizen. In the OP's case where
his country of citizenship doesn't have a consulate or embassy and
he's gonna have to apply in a third country anyway, it might just be
allowed, I guess. But Canada is a lot farther from Iran than Turkey or
the UAE and doesn't have visa-free travel for Iranians either, so
you'd have to get a visa in order to get a visa :P . I wouldn't know
what sort of choice you have in choosing the country where you apply
for a visa and whether you're allowed to apply in a country farther
away from Iran where waiting times are shorter. You should probably
talk to an immigration lawyer about that sort of thing.
Roan
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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:26:11 -0400 From: cestmoijustin@gmail.com To: wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania-l Digest, Vol 68, Issue 4
Yeah, i heard that USA is going to open a virtual embassy for Iran...
2011/11/2 Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com
Sorry Roan, I wanted to say the same thing you did but i failed.
2nd attempt: Citizens from any other country, with a canadian visa, still need a USA visa to get into USA.
Or more detailed in Roan's mail ;)
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On 2 November 2011 10:35, Roan Kattouw roan.kattouw@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Justin, canadians also need visa to be in USA, so ask for a canandian
visa
doesn't help.
Canadians don't need a visa for most short visits. But by "Canadians" I mean people with a Canadian passport. If you have a Brazilian passport, it doesn't matter how you enter the US (by air, land or sea, directly from Brazil or via Canada), you will need a US visa. A Canadian visa won't help you get into the US at all: the US and Canada are separate countries with border controls between them (the border isn't open like the one between the UK and Ireland, or the borders between Schengen countries in Europe).
That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some consulates elsewhere. But this is probably not allowed in most circumstances if you're not a Canadian citizen. In the OP's case where his country of citizenship doesn't have a consulate or embassy and he's gonna have to apply in a third country anyway, it might just be allowed, I guess. But Canada is a lot farther from Iran than Turkey or the UAE and doesn't have visa-free travel for Iranians either, so you'd have to get a visa in order to get a visa :P . I wouldn't know what sort of choice you have in choosing the country where you apply for a visa and whether you're allowed to apply in a country farther away from Iran where waiting times are shorter. You should probably talk to an immigration lawyer about that sort of thing.
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On 11/02/11 3:35 AM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
That said, I hear it's possible to get a visa from a US consulate in Canada, which I presume will have shorter waiting times than some consulates elsewhere. But this is probably not allowed in most circumstances if you're not a Canadian citizen. In the OP's case where his country of citizenship doesn't have a consulate or embassy and he's gonna have to apply in a third country anyway, it might just be allowed, I guess. But Canada is a lot farther from Iran than Turkey or the UAE and doesn't have visa-free travel for Iranians either, so you'd have to get a visa in order to get a visa :P . I wouldn't know what sort of choice you have in choosing the country where you apply for a visa and whether you're allowed to apply in a country farther away from Iran where waiting times are shorter. You should probably talk to an immigration lawyer about that sort of thing.
If you want to go the Canadian route you would still first need a visa into Canada, and one thing to remember is that Canada's network of consular offices is smaller than that of the US. Canadian practice has been to have an embassy in one country also be accredited to several other countries. If the ultimate destination for your trip is in the US you may need the US visa before you can enter Canada.
Ray
On 11/02/11 3:04 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
Justin, canadians also need visa to be in USA, so ask for a canandian visa doesn't help.
That's not generally correct. For most Canadians a passport is enough. They may still ask for it from people who were not born in Canada, even if they have become citizens.
Ray
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On 24 November 2011 00:13, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
On 11/02/11 3:04 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
Justin, canadians also need visa to be in USA, so ask for a canandian visa doesn't help.
That's not generally correct. For most Canadians a passport is enough. They may still ask for it from people who were not born in Canada, even if they have become citizens.
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