Salam Khaled, Can you please send me your MObile
number so I can contact
you better than the emails.
here is mine : 0105642546
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Khaled Khalil <khaled.khalil(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
It my first mail to this list, and needless to say i am very late :) (and
that's probably because one of major downsides Majorely told about, lack of
info on the wiki). But i have few things to say on this thread.
First of all, i want to thank Majorely for his frank and clear criticism,
that lead to this constructive discussion that should make a lot.
Many of the mentioned problems could be avoided by the local volunteers
team i think, things like infos regarding shuttle schedule for example.
Actually i am an alexandrian (and somehow i am proude to be), but
unfortunately i wasn't able to help organizing the conference because of my
conscription status (think about me as a part time prisoner), and most
likely if i were within the volunteers i couldn't make a difference, i think
the staff were exelant just as volunteers, but none of theme was really
proffessional, and they couldn't expect all possible situations, but
something like this i guess should be expected for wikimedians (the largest
contribution driven community), but that doesn't change the fact that there
shalt be more work on wiki, or by early promotion of communication mediums
like the irc channel and this mailing list where all of us could share
infos, i would clarify that most of Egyptian attendees were more than ready
to help about anything involving info about the conference or even any help
needed about Alexandria, Cairo or arabic translation, actually most of them
would be gratefull to provide help.
Unfortunately, most aspects and downside couldn't be avoided by
organizers, as you can say these points are defects by design,that's what
the mix of popular ignorance, poverty, social disorder led by administrative
corruption can do, a corrupt policeman could illustrate all the scene, these
strange picture in your memory with all its contrasts, you can call it Egypt
in decadence. But i would like to affirm you that your comments are highly
regarded, I know it is not the appropriate place to talk about politics, but
most deffects might never changes with only goodwill, i can't give you a
schedul, but come back few years latter and i hope some changes will be
done, some are already under the way, but we [egyptians] have to wake up
from our nightmare, because however you unliked the current state of Egypt,
Egyptians suffer the most.
I like Kizo Naoko's word:
Mt. Sinai gave me a lesson; there is no special
this globe but we can change our world and invite to create the place
we feel comfortable, in our own labor and
Next time anyone want to visit Egypt,
please contact your friends, friend
of friend, or anyone you can trust here, or at least someone already visited
Egypt, for Egyptians friends you can ask him/her for guidance and companion
in their cities.
Another point of view, which is already discussed, there is no mean to
keep the monopoly between the first world, specially when it comes to
Wikimedia, i bet i benefit from Wikipedia for example more than you :) i am
not joking, i mean projects like this and like Wikiversity, Wikibooks are
more valuable where education is corrupt and/or expensive, that's clear i
think, and that's why i am more loyal to Wikimedia than most of you ;D even
if i have less to contribute.
The most flourish part in this thread IMHO, is Ptricio's mail, which
promise a lot for next Wikimania i hope (and expect) it will be much better,
though some points may remain:
> But if you walk the city, you'll meet poor people, at night you may find
of waste pickers, you'll see homeless.
Sorry about that. We are not
able to hide them for you and I think we
don't want to do so.
they are not the organizers
responsability, but i am sorry to say, poverty
is the responsability of all of us, all this planet residents, i am not just
talking in the flow, but i know there is something to be done, and i know
Wikimedia took it seriously by launching projects like Moulin, WikiAfrica
and the more to go.
I hope if i can attend Wikimania2009 (visiting Argentina is an aim by its
own), though most probably i will not, but that is not the end of the world
for me, and hopefully i may attend some years latter, but for now, i will
try to keep active on wikipedia during my conscription. I will revise.
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