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Date: 31-okt-2006 0:09
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Hello everybody,
As you all know, Wikimania is only in one place in the world. And
well, lots of people are unable to attend. On #wikimedia , we had a
healthy discussion about the possibilities of side-events. Both
national as continental events had supporters, but the biggest contra
was that it could be a competitor for the WIkimania. That is why this
idea came up:
1) A annual world wide Wikimania, about august
2) Lots of national events, as far as countries or parts of countries
of groups of countries care to orginize them: about october, november
3) Continental Events, about march. Of cource as far as the
continents feel ok to orginize them. Only one event per continent of
this size.
The big advantage of this is of course that they will be as least as
possible competetors of eachother. People dont have to drop one
meeting to join the other one. Further it will be as much as possible
possible to share people in the organizations, so that more poeple
will get experience, but also that the people who have already
experience, will be able to help with the number of events.
That national events are wanted, is proven already numerous times by
Wikimedia Deutschland, Wikimedia Nederland and also in China, Poland
and other countires. People like to meet eachother, and have a good
conference in their own language. They can speak much more freely,
mostly about a smakker group of projects, and share thoughts more
easily.
The continental events could be like wikimania, so a conference mainly
for the active contributors, but could also get another character. The
orginizers should really think well about this. What kind of public do
you want to attrack, what kind of event do you want it to become. The
major pro for this event is that the travelcosts will be reletively
low, and people will go somewhere with somehow, minor or less, the
same culture.
The big Wikimania would mainly be for the world wide public, would be
for sharing thoughts such as "how do you guys do this, and you?".
People from all the communities could meet eachother, and a lot of
mixing of thoughts could happen. However, it is very well possible
that Wikimania would change it's identity over the years, as the
tradition is not that old. Time will learn.
Of course it is quite impossible to have a Euromania-like event
already in march, (name is already trademarked, btw) so this would
comply starting from august 07. I think this should not be a fixed
think of the foundation but more like an advice to the orginizing
parties. Try to plan your conferences a bit like this, that way we
won't be obstacles to eachother. We will be the least competitors this
way.
I think it would be very good to start thinking about a
Euromania/Asiamania for 2008 march (the european is already nicked as
Stroopwafelmania i heard, [[m:Talk:ASA]] ) but I think a lot of
chapters etc are thinking about setting up a national conference
already. We did in the Netherlands to my view successfully last
september 2nd, but one of the evaluationpoints was that there was
still too much competition with the Wikimania in Boston. I think this
proofs somehow that we should indeed think about spreading, and lean
from the experiences we had. at the dutch conference we had problems
with the organization, but also with the public and speakers, because
of Boston. People were busy with that too, and were unable ot less
able to spend time at Wikimedia Conference Netherlands.
Please, I'd like to invite everybody involved or willing to be
involved with events to discuss this, and maybe we can make some sense
out of this too long writing. (sorry Improv)
Hoping to hear mostly constuctive reactions,
Lodewijk Gelauff, Effeietsanders
(fellow-orginizer Wikimedia Conference Netherlands 2006)
Hello,
Two people reported to me there were some rumors that
the location of Wikimania 2008 had been decided during
the board retreat.
I am not aware of such decision, though there was
indeed a discussion over the role of Wikimania. I
think there was no such decision, and it is just a bad
rumor.
However, I'd like the rumor to be clarified, so that
the possible groups thinking of proposing a bid do not
feel there is a lack of transparency.
So, does anyone knows anything on the issue and can
talk about it ?
Anthere
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Wikimania 2007 Team Bulletin
21 October, 2006
Published by the Wikimania 2007 Taipei Team, *Team Bulletin* provides the
latest news of the Team's organizing work to everyone who is interested in
Wikimania; it also gives the Team chances to announce calls for
help/participation, so assistance in human and other resources can be sought
in a wider range. *Team Bulletin* is published at the official website of
Wikimania 2007 and released to the public domain.
Everyone is welcome to reproduce and distribute it to their websites,
mailing lists, BBS, blogs, and so on, but please kindly include the
Bulletin's original link at the official website of Wikimania 2007 in your
distribution.
In the weekly meeting of the Taipei Team on October 19th, team members
reported their work and discussed the following matters:
- The sponsorship division expresses gratitude to Chunghwa Telecom for
their generous sponsorship.
- The website division reports that Wikimedia Foundation has set up the
official website for Wikimania 2007. The division will implement the web
pages, infrastructure as soon as possible.
- The scholarship committee is being planned. This committee will work
with the Team and the Foundation in handling scholarships for attendees from
outside of Taiwan.
- Frances Huang is named the local press contact and is in charge of
media request, public relations, and advertisements.
- Tzu-Chiang Liou is the Team's program coordinator and is in charge of
program and topics.
- The team is looking for contact persons from each school for the
"Campus promotion tour and volunteer training" activity. The team asks any
student associations, computer centers, clubs, and libraries in Taiwan that
are interested to contact the team.
- The team is looking for more translators and a site manager for the
conference venue.
If you have any questions or suggestions, please kindly leave them at
http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Team_Bulletin/20061021
Related links:
Wikimania 2007 official website: http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org
User page of Tzu-Chiang Liou:
http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:TzuChiang_Liou
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Hi,
> -----Original Message-----
> Seeing that the dates have been set, I would like to point to
> our discussions in Cambridge about having sessions about the
> future of Wikimedia. Some of us who aren't techie enough to
> be interested in hacking days might like to spend some
> intense time about governance, and a lot of related matters.
> A lot of what goes on in the main body of the conference also
> involves a lot of non-wikipedians.
>
> By raising the matter at this early stage it should make it
> easier to adjust the schedule to allow for this sort of thing.
>
> Ec
Yes, we will take these into consideration in the program committee. Thanks
for your suggestion.
H.T.
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Hi Aphaia san, sorry for the late reply.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikimania-l-bounces(a)Wikipedia.org
> [mailto:wikimania-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Aphaia
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:37 AM
> To: Wikimania general list (open subscription)
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2007
>
> Hi Hsiang-Tai, thank you for your mail.
>
> On 10/7/06, Hsiang-Tai Chien <htchien1225(a)yahoo.com.tw> wrote:
> > Hi Aphaia san,
>
> [removed]
> Hm, google doesn't prefer we communicating in our own
> languages ;( # hence garbled parts removed
What I wrote in the previous mail is: "hajimemashite kandesu douzo
yoroshiku". :)
> > I have read your posts in both Wikimedia-l and Wikimania-l and I'm
> > glad that you (and others in
> > Transcom) would like to help on translation issues. Yes I agree it
> > would be good if there is at least one person can coordinate on
> > translation and we do see the needs for this kind of person
> because we
> > already have some queries from Italy to say they also would
> like to help on translation and interpreting between EN and IT.
>
> Great!
> We are better now to set up "translators & coordinators" page?
Yes, we can have that page on the WM07 website. WM07 website is not been
created and I believe the page for translators will be set up soon.
> > Now the questions.
> >
> > When I send the reply I thought the communication in the
> organization
> > for Wikimania between the Foundation and us is mainly in
> English, but
> > I think now we should also consider other languages as
> well. For now I and ROC (meta:User:R.O.C, zh:wp:User:R.O.C)
> will be charge in communications.
>
> It means you two will care for translation in general as coordinators?
> If someone would like to discuss about translation, he or she
> is recommended to mail both of you? Communications are a bit
> broader idea than mere press contact a/o translation coordination.
Yes, Thodoranian had appointed me to be the coordinators for translations
last week, so if anyone wish to discuss about translation, he/she can e-mail
to me directly.
Francis Huang, who is in the list I provided earlier, will be the local
press contact person. For international press contact, people can contact
the Taipei team through me. This is because not all members in the Taipei
team are familiar with foreign languages and I can help to translate the
messages to the members.
> One relevant question; I am a bit curious why names of people
> who helped past Wikimanias' translation into Chinese didn't
> appear on your list. Are there any inconvinience for their
> involvement? (One possible answer I can guess is they are
> now blocked from editing; one editor I recall is in the Mainland).
The blocking is one of the reasons. However, now the blocking is been lifted
so I guess some of them might be able to help. We will welcome anyone who
wish to help to join us.
> > Thanks again for your help and, we still wish to know if
> there's any
> > speaker from Japan you can suggest.
>
> Ahem, I am afraid I misunderstood the request; I supposed you
> or the programm team (I can be included though) first think
> who Wikimania
> 2007 would like to have and then I assign the list we are
> going to contact. Would you like me to suggest names?
Yes, the program should be discussed first, and we welcome you to join the
program team. I believe someone in the program team will contact you before
the meeting is going to be hold.
> I think perhaps we will do better works if we are working
> collaborative. Would you like me to invite Japanese project
> editors to submit their ideas? (Perhaps via wikija-l)
That would be great. I think you can provide your ideas once the related
WM07 pages are been set up.
> Last question: the dates of the conference are fixed already?
Hacking days conference for WM07 is been set from 8/1 to 8/2, and the WM07
conference is been set from 8/3 to 8/5.
Best regards,
H.T.
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Yes, it is. Thanks.
We will add some information to the pages in a few days.
H.T.
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> From: wikimania-l-bounces(a)Wikipedia.org
> [mailto:wikimania-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Lo
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:45 AM
> To: Wikimania general list (open subscription)
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2007
>
> This one? -> http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org
>
> On 10/20/06, phoebe ayers <brassratgirl(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi H.T.,
> >
> > Can you let the list know where the WM07 website is
> located? Also, you
> > may want to make a more general announcement about dates
> (such as to
> > this list and foundation-l), if these are now set.
> >
> > best,
> > Phoebe
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Hi Anthere, sorry for the late reply since I have some daily job need to be
done. Also I just have some mail server issue with Yahoo so my last reply to
you is lost. I wish this one can make it to the mailing list. :(
OK, please see my reply as HT> below.
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Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:03 AM
To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org
Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2007
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I'd like to say thank you to Hsiang-Tai Chien for his civility and that I
hope we'll do a fabulous Wikimania 2007 in Taipei.
One of the specific request I will have (which is basically the same that
the one of the past two years) is that we try to find funds to help
wikipedians to come from all over the world. We need to start looking for
such funds as soon as possible. And make this event a bridge between
continents.
HT> Thanks, and personally I will join the discussion and the organization
for Wikimania 2007 in the mail lists; I will also participate in the Taipei
team more actively. Although we have a large amount of local sponsorships,
it would always be better if more funds on travel scholarships are
available. The Taipei team is also discussing sponsorship details with China
Airlines (flag carrier of ROC on Taiwan) for deeply discounted tickets.
China Airlines serves many cities in North America and Europe, including Los
Angeles, New York, San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, Seattle, Vancouver,
Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Rome, Vienna, and others. We will work closely with
the Foundation in the coordination of sponsorships.
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I'd like to ask HT if all the chinese wikimania core team could join the
wikimania mailing list, even though it may be that some of you discuss
issues in chinese only. It is important (imho) that at least some non
chinese be involved in the organisation, as it will greatly enrich the
process.
HT> Some of Taipei team members have already joined the Wikimania-l and
Wikimedia-l mailing lists. We did not participate much in the previous
discussions on Wikimania Taipei because there were too many emotional
comments and invalid questions, and the team was already very busy with the
preparation of the conference. We will ask more members to join the
Wikimania-l for serious discussions on the conference. We welcome any
non-Chinese people to join us and we would be very open for opinions and
ideas because Wikimania 2007 is not just an event for Taipei, but an event
for all Wikimedians over the world. We understand that the bidding result
might let some people feel down but we still sincerely welcome them to
provide constructive ideas for this event.
HT> We will start organizing the Wikimania 2007 page on meta soon, and use
it as a platform for relevant discussions. We have also registered domain
name wikimania.tw for use by Wikimania 2007.
Also, I would like that all core organisers provide a little bit more
information about them, and that the role of each be defined as much as
possible. This will help identify areas where help is missing. And this
will help us identify who the Foundation should be in touch with for
various issues (for example, the Foundation (Michael) MUST be in contact
with the budget person).
Ant
HT> Yes, I will provide a rough member list now:
Team leader: Theodoranian (meta:User:Theodoranian / wp:zh:User:Theodoranian)
Media and public relations: KJ (meta:User:KaurJmeb / wp:zh:User:KaurJmeb)
Sponsorship: KJ and Francis Huang (Academia Sinica, the national academy of
ROC on Taiwan)
English communications: Hsiang-Tai (meta:User:Htchien / wp:zh:User:Htchien),
Dodd (meta:User:Dodd / wp:zh:User:Dodd), and roc (meta:User:R.O.C /
wp:zh:User:R.O.C)
Website: Alex S. H. (meta:User:Alexsh / zh:User:Alexsh), LittleBTC
(meta:User:Littlebtc / zh:User:笨笨的小B), and GLWu
Program: Theodoranian, Tsu-Chiang Liou (Academia Sinica), and KJ
For financial matters, we are still looking for the ideal person.
At the same time, we would like the Board appoint a contact person for us so
we can coordinate lots of matters with the Board.
Thanks and best regards,
H.T.
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Hi Aphaia san,
初めましで どうぞよろしく
I have read your posts in both Wikimedia-l and Wikimania-l and I'm glad that you (and others in
Transcom) would like to help on translation issues. Yes I agree it would be good if there is at
least one person can coordinate on translation and we do see the needs for this kind of person
because we already have some queries from Italy to say they also would like to help on translation
and interpreting between EN and IT. And I think the coordinator is not necessary to be an Chinese
(or Taiwanese). I will discuss with the team on this issue and will let you (and others) get
noticed.
Now the questions.
When I send the reply I thought the communication in the organization for Wikimania between the
Foundation and us is mainly in English, but I think now we should also consider other languages as
well. For now I and ROC (meta:User:R.O.C, zh:wp:User:R.O.C) will be charge in communications.
In my opinion to have Chinese / Taiwanese / Hakka / Cantonese pages on the website is OK. However
the website is still not online now, maybe we can have some further discussions after the page is
been created on the server.
Thanks again for your help and, we still wish to know if there's any speaker from Japan you can
suggest. お願いします
Best regards,
H.T.
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Aphaia
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2007
ｴｿｷﾞｸﾗ Wikimania2007ﾅｪｹｩｺ銧邊ﾈ ;)
As communications/website, would you like to consider my previous proposal on
wikimania-l/foundation-l?
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My points are basically three:
- It will be more efficient Chinese team has at least one person who coordinates translation from
Chinese to other languages.
- I repeat here "other languages", not only English. For accuracy as much as possible, it is ideal
those who speak either Chinese or target language as their mother tongue will engage translations,
and I know Chinese community is enriched with such zh-non en translators.
- Mainly managing copyediting and proofreading, it would be nice other language translators will
also be involved.
And I am glad to add, Transcom is ready to support the coordinator of 'mania 2007. People who will
engage multilingual communications of this conference would feel convinient at translators-l.
Questions:
- what do you mean with "English communications"?
- who will care for internal/domestic communications? One collorary:
do you think now we will need Taiwanese / Hakka / Cantonese pages on the website for PR?
Cheers,
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Hi Anthere
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikimania-l-bounces(a)Wikipedia.org
> [mailto:wikimania-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Anthere
> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:24 PM
> To: Wikimania general list (open subscription)
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2007
>
> > HT> Yes, I will provide a rough member list now:
> >
> > Project manager: Theodoranian (wp:zh:User:Theodoranian)
> > PR and Sponsorship: KJ (wp:zh:User:KaurJmeb) and
> > Francis Huang (member from Academy Sinica Taiwan)
> > Contact people: Hsiang-Tai (wp:en:User:Htchien) and ROC
> > (wp:zh:User:R.O.C)
> > Website: Alex S. H. (wp:zh:User:Alexsh), Little BTC
> > (wp:zh:User:Littlebtc) and GLWu (wp:zh:User:Garywgl)
> > Program: Theodoranian, Tzu-Chiang Liou (from Academy
> > Sinica Taiwan) and KJ
>
> I would like to suggest that at least one of you be added in
> the communication committee, as this might reveal very helpful.
Yes, that would be great. Can you advise how we can join the communication
committee?
> Also, I suggest you get Aphaia and the transcom involved for
> all translations issues.
That's definitely we will do in the upcoming process. :)
> I presume help on the programm is a subject which should be
> raised on wikimania-l
> On the board, you are likely to receive
> help from Erik, since he was involved in the past in
> Wikimania programs.
> As a serious hand, I also recommand Phoebe if she is interested ;-)
I believe we will warmly welcome them to join the discussion on the
programs, if they are interested. :)
> Please coordinate sponsorship consideration with Danny Wool.
> We need to find early in time sponsors to ensure help for
> many editors to go participate even if they live far away.
I will let KJ know and contact Danny as well. Can you let me know how we can
contact Danny? (maybe not in public if there is any privacy issue)
> You may wish to consider well ahead of time considerations of
> registration (you need a registration manager)
>
> Also not listed above is technical manager, for audio, video,
> translations if needed etc...
We will look for people on these positions.
> And logistic...
>
> I'll add (out of experience of this year) that you need a
> manager for the hacking days. And I'll suggest that this one
> either is one of developers, or someone in direct contact
> with them, so as to create the hacking days they need and
> want. This is very important.
Yes, as a developer I can see why it is important. :)
> > For financial and administrative person, we are still
> looking for some
> > ideal people.
>
> It may be best that this person is under contract for
> responsability considerations.
I agree.
> > And we need the contact people in the Foundation so we can
> > discuss and co-work with WMF. Please advise whom we can
> > contact with.
>
> I asked the board this question over a week ago. As of today,
> I am still waiting for an answer from them...
Please let us know once you know who the person is, thanks in advance.
Now we are having a 5-day vacation here in Taiwan for the Mid-Autumn Moon
Festival. (You can see "w:en:Mid-Autumn Festival" for reference) I will
leave Taipei with my wife tomorrow and I will not bring my notebook with me
so I will not be able to reply until Monday. However I believe ROC will take
my position to reply or answer questions in these days. Please feel free to
let Taipei know what you think about Wikimania 2007 and we will try to reply
as soon as possible.
Best regards,
H.T.
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Hi Hsiang-Tai
Hsiang-Tai Chien wrote:
> Hi Anthere, sorry for the late reply since I have some daily job need to be
> done. Please see my reply as HT> below.
I am also quite late. Apologies
> -----Original eMessage-----
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> [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Anthere
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:03 AM
> To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2007
>
> ----------
>
> I'd like to say thank you to Hsiang-Tai Chien for his civility and that I
> hope we'll do a fabulous Wikimania 2007 in Taipei.
> One of the specific request I will have (which is basically the same that
> the one of the past two years) is that we try to find funds to help
> wikipedians to come from all over the world. We need to start looking for
> such funds as soon as possible. And make this event a bridge between
> continents.
>
> HT> Thanks, and personally I will join the discussion and the organization
> for Wikimania 2007 in the mail lists and also in the Taipei team more
> actively. For the fund issue we are discussing with the sponsors now. And we
> will need to co-work with the Foundation on this issue.
We received ROC email and I'll answer it as well.
I answer here since the previous mail was on Foundation, but add in copy
wikimania-l.
I suggest further discussions be held on wikimania-l
> ----------
>
> I'd like to ask HT if all the chinese wikimania core team could join the
> wikimania mailing list, even though it may be that some of you discuss
> issues in chinese only. It is important (imho) that at least some non
> chinese be involved in the organisation, as it will greatly enrich the
> process.
>
> HT> Some of members in the Taipei team already joined the Wikimania-l and
> Wikimedia-l mailing lists. For example, you can see Theodoranian (as THD),
> ROC and myself in this mailing list, and we also joined Wikimania-l since
> the bidding result is out. And we will ask more members to join the
> Wikimania-l for discussion. We welcome any non Chinese people to join us and
> we would be very open for opinions and ideas because Wikimania 2007 is not
> just a event for Taipei, it's a event for all Wikipedians over the world. We
> understand that the bidding result might let some people down but we still
> welcome them to provide ideas to us for this event sincerely.
>
> HT> Also we are now trying to create a wiki server in Taipei so people from
> other regions can know the status for the organization process immediately.
> The domain address for the server is now been registered and the server
> should be online soon. Once it's online I will send the notice to
> Wikimania-l.
>
> Also, I would like that all core organisers provide a little bit more
> information about them, and that the role of each be defined as much as
> possible. This will help identify areas where help is missing. And this
> will help us identify who the Foundation should be in touch with for
> various issues (for example, the Foundation (Michael) MUST be in contact
> with the budget person).
>
> Ant
>
> HT> Yes, I will provide a rough member list now:
>
> Project manager: Theodoranian (wp:zh:User:Theodoranian)
> PR and Sponsorship: KJ (wp:zh:User:KaurJmeb) and Francis Huang (member from
> Sinica Taiwan)
> Contact people: Hsiang-Tai (wp:en:User:Htchien) and ROC (wp:zh:User:Roc)
> Website: Alex S. H. (wp:zh:User:Alexsh), Little BTC (wp:zh:User:Littlebtc)
> and GLWu
> China affairs: Mingwangx (wp:zh:User:Mingwangx) and Chiao-Ching (member from
> the sponsor)
> Agenda: Theodoranian, Tsu-Chiang Liou (member from Sinica Taiwan) and KJ
I would like to suggest that at least one of you be added in the
communication committee, as this might reveal very helpful.
Also, I suggest you get Aphaia and the transcom involved for all
translations issues.
I presume help on the programm is a subject which should be raised on
wikimania-l
On the board, you are likely to receive help from Erik, since he was
involved in the past in Wikimania programs.
As a serious hand, I also recommand Phoebe if she is interested ;-)
Please coordinate sponsorship consideration with Danny Wool. We need to
find early in time sponsors to ensure help for many editors to go
participate even if they live far away.
You may wish to consider well ahead of time considerations of
registration (you need a registration manager)
Also not listed above is technical manager, for audio, video,
translations if needed etc...
And logistic...
I'll add (out of experience of this year) that you need a manager for
the hacking days. And I'll suggest that this one either is one of
developers, or someone in direct contact with them, so as to create the
hacking days they need and want. This is very important.
> For financial and administrative person, we are still looking for some ideal
> people.
It may be best that this person is under contract for responsability
considerations.
> And we need the contact people in the Foundation so we can discuss and
> co-work with WMF. Please advise whom we can contact with.
I asked the board this question over a week ago. As of today, I am still
waiting for an answer from them...
> Thanks and best regards,
> H.T.
>
>
thanks HT
ant