WikiEN-l April 2004

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Why, Timwi? Because for true Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is SACRED!
by fennec＠eh.net 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

Mr Paul Vogel wrote: > Because for true Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is > SACRED! ... > That is "why", Timwi, because for true Cosmotheists, > like me, the TRUTH is actually SACRED! ... > I just have already done so, Timwi, because for true > Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is SACRED and should > always be upheld for its own sake! ... > It is my SACRED DUTY as a true COSMOTHEIST to always > uphold and support the WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY, and > for their own sake, too! This is all *very* interesting. However, I would characterize your behaviour on Wikipedia regarding this matter as being counterproductive if it is indeed spreading this truth which you profess to be so interested in. Consider: calling people "censorious POV bigots" and making frequent references to an "ilk", whether or not such accusations and names are true or justifiable, actually does little or nothing help your cause, and does much to hinder people's acceptance of it and of you.

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Sorry Theresa, it was just an accidental "double-post".
by Mr Paul Vogel 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

"Repeating the same thing over and over again does not make it more important, it only bores everyone. Please take this somewhere else. Your talk page perhaps. Theresa Knott TRUE shutttheFupist!" Sorry Theresa!!! My bad!!! It was a quite unintentional or a quite accidental "double-post". That as opposed to the deliberate DOUBLE-STANDARDS that are being enforced here by an "ilk" of lying and hypocritical and slanderous and censorious pov bigots! If you are so "bored by" and are so "apathetic" towards any such bigoted pov censorship, then maybe you should just stick only to the user TalkPages, yourself? Best regards, Paul Vogel http://www.cosmotheism.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

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"Wikipedia strives to be accurate and neutral."??? Really Ed?
by Mr Paul Vogel 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

"Wikipedia strives to be accurate and neutral." That is ONLY what is "presumed" Wikipedia "strives for", Ed. "Anti-semitic sites such as Mr. Vogel wants linked directly from the "Judaism" or "Jew" articles is neither." Why not, Ed? "Anti-cosmotheism sites" such as the very false and slanderous four ones that David Gerard has linked to as being "criticisms" of [[cosmotheism]] are hardly at all "accurate" nor "neutral" pov's? Why the NPOV DOUBLE-STANDARD, Ed? "In the interests of bending over backwards to be fair, however, I would like to see that link put SOMEWHERE." Indeed! Actually, "fairness" and a Wiki NPOV would be ALSO either mean deleting the "false and slanderous four pov "criticism" links at [[cosmotheism]] or allowing the pov "criticism" link of [http://www.jewwatch.com] to [Judaism]. That would avoid DOUBLE-STANDARDS and a NPOV within Wikipedia, and no more and no less, Ed. "How about [[Holocaust denial]] or [[Anti-Semitism]]?" Neither one of those two articles are actually NPOV, are they Ed?, so I don't think so. Actually, "fairness" and a Wiki NPOV would be ALSO either mean deleting the "false and slanderous four pov "criticism" links at [[cosmotheism]] or allowing the pov "criticism" link of [http://www.jewwatch.com] to [Judaism]. That would avoid DOUBLE-STANDARDS and a NPOV within Wikipedia, and no more and no less, Ed. That would be an acceptable "COMPROMISE" that actually enforces a Wiki NPOV and without ANY POV BIAS and pov DOUBLE-STANDARDS, Ed. Best regards, Paul Vogel http://www.cosmotheism.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

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RE: [WikiEN-l] Why, Timwi? Because for true Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is SACRED!
by KNOTT, T 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

Mr Paul Vogel wrote "for true Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is SACRED!" ... "because for true Cosmotheists, like me, the TRUTH is actually SACRED!" ... "and because the TRUTH is SACRED to all true Cosmotheists," ... "because for true Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is SACRED and should always be upheld for its own sake!" ... "It is my SACRED DUTY as a true COSMOTHEIST to always uphold and support the WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY..." "True Cosmotheists will always uphold the light of the WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY " Repeating the same thing over and over again does not make it more important, it only bores everyone. Please take this somewhere else. Your talk page perhaps. Theresa Knott TRUE shutttheFupist!

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Why, Timwi? Because for true Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is SACRED!
by Mr Paul Vogel 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

Mr Paul Vogel wrote: > In my actual "view" as opposed to your own "pov", > everyone here isn't a bigot, censor, liar, etc. etc. > etc, > BUT, the group or "ilk" that is falsely slandering me, > lying hypocritically, and that is always falsely > attempting to have me blocked, banned, and censored, > are bigots, censors, and liars, Timwi. "And what exactly makes you care about them? Why are you so concerned that they exist if their "wrong-doing" is only confined to Wikipedia anyway? If you just forget about Wikipedia, they won't influence you or your life anymore." Why, Timwi? Because for true Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is SACRED! And because Wikipedia doesn't just exist in a vacuum, and its potential influence could exponentially grow, and because this "wrongdoing" very likely will both "corrupt" and "mis-lead" our general readership and the public at large to actually and to perhaps falsely believe that Wikipedia actually upholds and maintains a NPOV, when it actually only maintains a very very very small "ilk's" pov within all of the encyclopedia articles. That is "why", Timwi, because for true Cosmotheists, like me, the TRUTH is actually SACRED! the "ilk" that are falsely undermining the Wiki NPOV and many of the stated "principles" and the stated wiki "policies" and the "objectivity" of this project as a Whole. "I don't understand your emotional attachment with Wikipedia. Why does it matter to you whether Wikipedia follow their own policies (NPOV or others) or not? Why do you care if it's objective or not?" Indeed, you don't understand. It matters because the TRUTH actually matters, in this world in which I and those I love live, and because the TRUTH is SACRED to all true Cosmotheists, and that is why I do care that all Wiki people do actually follow their own NPOV policies and that they do always strive for only maintaining actual "objectivity" within the Free Wiki On-line encyclopedia. "Think about this for yourself, and answer these questions to yourself." I just have already done so, Timwi, because for true Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is SACRED and should always be upheld for its own sake! "If you don't have an answer that satisfies you, then maybe you should really just leave us and let us continue our slandering, censorous POV bigotry in peace.Timwi" Hardly! LOL! :D It is my SACRED DUTY as a true COSMOTHEIST to always uphold and support the WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY, and for their own sake, too! True Cosmotheists will always uphold the light of the WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY and will not go into the long dark night of this selfish "ilks" censorship nor ever nor gladly accept this ilks planned extinction of us by these SSEE ilk of censorious bigots forever! Since the TRUTH is both SACRED and ETERNAL, time actually is therefore and eventually on our side! Best regards, Paul Vogel http://www.cosmotheism.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

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Michael Snow and his lying hypocrisy and denial of DOUBLE-STANDARDS!
by Mr Paul Vogel 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

Mr Paul Vogel wrote: >Michael Snow doesn't seem to think it "bad" when >either he and his "ilk" direct numerous and FALSE >offensive statements at other Wikipedians, though, >does he? > "If I have made any, let alone numerous, false or offensive statements directed at other Wikipedians, I hope somebody will let me know, so that I can do what is possible to correct my mistake." I already did, and then you only just falsely denied it above, Michael Snow. "But I can accept no responsibility for my ilk; it will have to account for itself." True enough, and that is quite unlike the "collective punishment" that the Zionist Israeli's have always immorally imposed upon the Palestinian People and on a daily basis for the last 50-60 years!!! "My only other comment is to clarify what Mr. Paul Vogel apparently did not understand in my previous post." Or maybe to revise and to change from what you had actually said in your "previous post" and that I actually understood all too well? :D "I am not suggesting that we sacrifice the NPOV policy. That is and should remain, quoting Jimbo, "absolute and non-negotiable"." I have seen the NPOV "sacrificed" on very many occasions and by a cabal or "ilk" of pov censorious bigots, liars, slanderers, and hypocrites, and that are currently attempting to have me blocked, banned, and censored, here. "Rather, I meant that just because somebody contributes a particular point of view to the discussion, that should not immunize them from the consequences of their behavior." I completely do agree, AND that any such "ilks" actual "behavior" of pov censorship, of false slander and personal insults, and of pov bigoted lying hypocrisy, or of doing more than 3-reverts a day, etc., themselves, ad nauseum, really should NOT UNFAIRLY be "selectively" and with "DOUBLE-STANDARDS" and only themselves be always "immunized" from any "consequences" of their own quite selfish and pov ensorship "behavior", whatsoever! "We can get that same point of view from other sources, if necessary, and still achieve NPOV." Yes, we can get the same point of view and from many other sources, if necessary, by our banning and by our blocking and by our censoring this cabal or "ilk" of lying and slanderous and censorious and hypocritical pov bigots, and this act will INSURE and it will ENSURE that the Wiki Project actually maintains a NPOV verses only this "ILKS" continued and biased POV, within all of the articles that are within Wikipedia. Best regards, Paul Vogel http://www.cosmotheism.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

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Michael Snow and his lying hypocrisy and denial of DOUBLE-STANDARDS!
by Mr Paul Vogel 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

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Paul Vogel's anti-Semitism?
by Mr Paul Vogel 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

"Mr Paul Vogel, if in your view everyone here is a bigot, censor, liar, etc.etc.etc., why don't you just leave us?" Timwi, In my actual "view" as opposed to your own "pov", everyone here isn't a bigot, censor, liar, etc. etc. etc, BUT, the group or "ilk" that is falsely slandering me, lying hypocritically, and that is always falsely attempting to have me blocked, banned, and censored, are bigots, censors, and liars, Timwi. For the sake of any of the others here that are not of such an "ilk" or group, I am here and helping them to become aware of such a "cabal" of censorous pov bigots that are falsely undermining the Wiki NPOV and many of the stated "principles" and Wiki "policies" and the "objectivity" of this project as a Whole. Paul Vogel http://www.cosmotheism.net You could try to contribute to OpenFacts or Disinfopedia instead (you can Google for these)... maybe they won't "censor" you. But then again, maybe they will. Timwi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash

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Wikipedia in the news...
by Jim Redmond 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

...and with contributor interviews, to boot. I'm surprised nobody's mentioned it yet - perhaps they're just being modest. :) Note: Salon.com is a subscription site, but they offer a free "day pass" for those who endure a brief ad. You will not be able to read the whole article without doing so. Everyone is an editor In the wacky wiki world, a Web browser is all you need to start contributing. But when the goal is to create an encyclopedia, such democracy has some pitfalls. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Sam Williams http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2004/04/27/wikipedia/index.html -- Jim Redmond (jredmond) jim(a)scrubnugget.com

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Got ilk?
by Poor, Edmund W 27 Apr '04

27 Apr '04

Every online activity attracts its share of uncooperative people. They try to subvert the medium for their own selfish purposes, often merely to get attention. Flamers, trolls, and their ilk. Oh, we got plenty of them, and the white moustache on the upper lip is a dead giveaway! :-) We could send them all to Sheldon's site. He specializes in distinguishing between REAL and FAKE media information, so I'm sure it would be no burden on him. On the other hand, he has no ethical problem with "retaliation" so there's the risk that he might cause some of HIS ilk to drip (or ooze) on over here -- which might sour the silky sweet smoothness of our own experience. So that's no solution. Maybe Sunir Shah would like them, over at MeatBall Wiki? Uncle Ed (mostly kidding)

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