Mr Paul Vogel wrote:
> Because for true Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is
> SACRED!
...
> That is "why", Timwi, because for true Cosmotheists,
> like me, the TRUTH is actually SACRED!
...
> I just have already done so, Timwi, because for true
> Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is SACRED and should
> always be upheld for its own sake!
...
> It is my SACRED DUTY as a true COSMOTHEIST to always
> uphold and support the WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY, and
> for their own sake, too!
This is all *very* interesting. However, I would characterize your
behaviour on Wikipedia regarding this matter as being counterproductive if
it is indeed spreading this truth which you profess to be so interested
in. Consider: calling people "censorious POV bigots" and making frequent
references to an "ilk", whether or not such accusations and names are true
or justifiable, actually does little or nothing help your cause, and does
much to hinder people's acceptance of it and of you.
"Repeating the same thing over and over again does not
make it more
important, it only bores everyone. Please take this
somewhere else. Your
talk page perhaps.
Theresa Knott TRUE shutttheFupist!"
Sorry Theresa!!!
My bad!!!
It was a quite unintentional or a quite accidental
"double-post".
That as opposed to the deliberate DOUBLE-STANDARDS
that are being enforced here by an "ilk" of lying and
hypocritical and slanderous and censorious pov bigots!
If you are so "bored by" and are so "apathetic"
towards any such bigoted pov censorship, then maybe
you should just stick only to the user TalkPages,
yourself?
Best regards,
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
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"Wikipedia strives to be accurate and neutral."
That is ONLY what is "presumed" Wikipedia "strives
for", Ed.
"Anti-semitic sites such as Mr. Vogel wants linked
directly from the "Judaism" or "Jew" articles is
neither."
Why not, Ed?
"Anti-cosmotheism sites" such as the very false and
slanderous four ones that David Gerard has linked to
as being "criticisms" of [[cosmotheism]] are hardly at
all "accurate" nor "neutral" pov's? Why the NPOV
DOUBLE-STANDARD, Ed?
"In the interests of bending over backwards to be
fair, however, I would like to see that link put
SOMEWHERE."
Indeed!
Actually, "fairness" and a Wiki NPOV would be ALSO
either mean deleting the "false and slanderous four
pov "criticism" links at [[cosmotheism]] or allowing
the pov "criticism" link of [http://www.jewwatch.com]
to [Judaism]. That would avoid DOUBLE-STANDARDS and a
NPOV within Wikipedia, and no more and no less, Ed.
"How about [[Holocaust denial]] or
[[Anti-Semitism]]?"
Neither one of those two articles are actually NPOV,
are they Ed?, so I don't think so.
Actually, "fairness" and a Wiki NPOV would be ALSO
either mean deleting the "false and slanderous four
pov "criticism" links at [[cosmotheism]] or allowing
the pov "criticism" link of [http://www.jewwatch.com]
to [Judaism]. That would avoid DOUBLE-STANDARDS and a
NPOV within Wikipedia, and no more and no less, Ed.
That would be an acceptable "COMPROMISE" that actually
enforces a Wiki NPOV and without ANY POV BIAS and pov
DOUBLE-STANDARDS, Ed.
Best regards,
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
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Mr Paul Vogel wrote
"for true Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is
SACRED!" ...
"because for true Cosmotheists,
like me, the TRUTH is actually SACRED!"
...
"and because the TRUTH is SACRED to
all true Cosmotheists,"
...
"because for true
Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is SACRED and should
always be upheld for its own sake!"
...
"It is my SACRED DUTY as a true COSMOTHEIST to always
uphold and support the WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY..."
"True Cosmotheists will always uphold the light of the
WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY "
Repeating the same thing over and over again does not make it more
important, it only bores everyone. Please take this somewhere else. Your
talk page perhaps.
Theresa Knott TRUE shutttheFupist!
Mr Paul Vogel wrote:
> In my actual "view" as opposed to your own "pov",
> everyone here isn't a bigot, censor, liar, etc. etc.
> etc,
> BUT, the group or "ilk" that is falsely slandering
me,
> lying hypocritically, and that is always falsely
> attempting to have me blocked, banned, and censored,
> are bigots, censors, and liars, Timwi.
"And what exactly makes you care about them? Why are
you so concerned that they exist if their
"wrong-doing" is only confined to Wikipedia anyway? If
you just forget about Wikipedia, they won't influence
you or your life anymore."
Why, Timwi?
Because for true Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is
SACRED!
And because Wikipedia doesn't just exist in a vacuum,
and its potential influence could exponentially grow,
and because this "wrongdoing" very likely will both
"corrupt" and "mis-lead" our general readership and
the public at large to actually and to perhaps falsely
believe that Wikipedia actually upholds and maintains
a NPOV, when it actually only maintains a very very
very small "ilk's" pov within all of the encyclopedia
articles.
That is "why", Timwi, because for true Cosmotheists,
like me, the TRUTH is actually SACRED!
the "ilk" that are falsely undermining the Wiki NPOV
and many of the stated "principles" and the stated
wiki "policies" and the "objectivity" of this project
as a Whole.
"I don't understand your emotional attachment with
Wikipedia. Why does it matter to you whether Wikipedia
follow their own policies (NPOV or
others) or not? Why do you care if it's objective or
not?"
Indeed, you don't understand. It matters because the
TRUTH actually matters, in this world in which I and
those I love live, and because the TRUTH is SACRED to
all true Cosmotheists, and that is why I do care that
all Wiki people do actually follow their own NPOV
policies and that they do always strive for only
maintaining actual "objectivity" within the Free Wiki
On-line encyclopedia.
"Think about this for yourself, and answer these
questions to yourself."
I just have already done so, Timwi, because for true
Cosmotheists like me, the TRUTH is SACRED and should
always be upheld for its own sake!
"If you don't have an answer that satisfies you, then
maybe you should really just leave us and let us
continue our slandering, censorous POV bigotry in
peace.Timwi"
Hardly! LOL! :D
It is my SACRED DUTY as a true COSMOTHEIST to always
uphold and support the WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY, and
for their own sake, too!
True Cosmotheists will always uphold the light of the
WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY and will not go into the long
dark night of this selfish "ilks" censorship nor ever
nor gladly accept this ilks planned extinction of us
by these SSEE ilk of censorious bigots forever! Since
the TRUTH is both SACRED and ETERNAL, time actually is
therefore and eventually on our side!
Best regards,
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
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Mr Paul Vogel wrote:
>Michael Snow doesn't seem to think it "bad" when
>either he and his "ilk" direct numerous and FALSE
>offensive statements at other Wikipedians, though,
>does he?
>
"If I have made any, let alone numerous, false or
offensive statements directed at other Wikipedians, I
hope somebody will let me know, so that I can do what
is possible to correct my mistake."
I already did, and then you only just falsely denied
it above, Michael Snow.
"But I can accept no responsibility for my ilk; it
will have to account for itself."
True enough, and that is quite unlike the "collective
punishment" that the Zionist Israeli's have always
immorally imposed upon the Palestinian People and on a
daily basis for the last 50-60 years!!!
"My only other comment is to clarify what Mr. Paul
Vogel apparently did not understand in my previous
post."
Or maybe to revise and to change from what you had
actually said in your "previous post" and that I
actually understood all too well? :D
"I am not suggesting that we sacrifice the NPOV
policy. That is and should remain, quoting Jimbo,
"absolute and non-negotiable"."
I have seen the NPOV "sacrificed" on very many
occasions and by a cabal or "ilk" of pov censorious
bigots, liars, slanderers, and hypocrites, and that
are currently attempting to have me blocked, banned,
and censored, here.
"Rather, I meant that just because somebody
contributes a particular point of view to the
discussion, that should not immunize them from the
consequences of their behavior."
I completely do agree, AND that any such "ilks" actual
"behavior" of pov censorship, of false slander and
personal insults, and of pov bigoted lying hypocrisy,
or of doing more than 3-reverts a day, etc.,
themselves, ad nauseum, really should NOT UNFAIRLY be
"selectively" and with "DOUBLE-STANDARDS" and only
themselves be always "immunized" from any
"consequences" of their own quite selfish and pov
ensorship "behavior", whatsoever!
"We can get that same point of view from other
sources, if necessary, and still achieve NPOV."
Yes, we can get the same point of view and from many
other sources, if necessary, by our banning and by our
blocking and by our censoring this cabal or "ilk" of
lying and slanderous and censorious and hypocritical
pov bigots, and this act will INSURE and it will
ENSURE that the Wiki Project actually maintains a NPOV
verses only this "ILKS" continued and biased POV,
within all of the articles that are within Wikipedia.
Best regards,
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
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Mr Paul Vogel wrote:
>Michael Snow doesn't seem to think it "bad" when
>either he and his "ilk" direct numerous and FALSE
>offensive statements at other Wikipedians, though,
>does he?
>
"If I have made any, let alone numerous, false or
offensive statements directed at other Wikipedians, I
hope somebody will let me know, so that I can do what
is possible to correct my mistake."
I already did, and then you only just falsely denied
it above, Michael Snow.
"But I can accept no responsibility for my ilk; it
will have to account for itself."
True enough, and that is quite unlike the "collective
punishment" that the Zionist Israeli's have always
immorally imposed upon the Palestinian People and on a
daily basis for the last 50-60 years!!!
"My only other comment is to clarify what Mr. Paul
Vogel apparently did not understand in my previous
post."
Or maybe to revise and to change from what you had
actually said in your "previous post" and that I
actually understood all too well? :D
"I am not suggesting that we sacrifice the NPOV
policy. That is and should remain, quoting Jimbo,
"absolute and non-negotiable"."
I have seen the NPOV "sacrificed" on very many
occasions and by a cabal or "ilk" of pov censorious
bigots, liars, slanderers, and hypocrites, and that
are currently attempting to have me blocked, banned,
and censored, here.
"Rather, I meant that just because somebody
contributes a particular point of view to the
discussion, that should not immunize them from the
consequences of their behavior."
I completely do agree, AND that any such "ilks" actual
"behavior" of pov censorship, of false slander and
personal insults, and of pov bigoted lying hypocrisy,
or of doing more than 3-reverts a day, etc.,
themselves, ad nauseum, really should NOT UNFAIRLY be
"selectively" and with "DOUBLE-STANDARDS" and only
themselves be always "immunized" from any
"consequences" of their own quite selfish and pov
ensorship "behavior", whatsoever!
"We can get that same point of view from other
sources, if necessary, and still achieve NPOV."
Yes, we can get the same point of view and from many
other sources, if necessary, by our banning and by our
blocking and by our censoring this cabal or "ilk" of
lying and slanderous and censorious and hypocritical
pov bigots, and this act will INSURE and it will
ENSURE that the Wiki Project actually maintains a NPOV
verses only this "ILKS" continued and biased POV,
within all of the articles that are within Wikipedia.
Best regards,
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
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"Mr Paul Vogel,
if in your view everyone here is a bigot, censor,
liar, etc.etc.etc.,
why don't you just leave us?"
Timwi,
In my actual "view" as opposed to your own "pov",
everyone here isn't a bigot, censor, liar, etc. etc.
etc,
BUT, the group or "ilk" that is falsely slandering me,
lying hypocritically, and that is always falsely
attempting to have me blocked, banned, and censored,
are bigots, censors, and liars, Timwi.
For the sake of any of the others here that are not of
such an "ilk" or group, I am here and helping them to
become aware of such a "cabal" of censorous pov bigots
that are falsely undermining the Wiki NPOV and many of
the stated "principles" and Wiki "policies" and the
"objectivity" of this project as a Whole.
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
You could try to contribute to OpenFacts or
Disinfopedia instead (you
can Google for these)... maybe they won't "censor"
you.
But then again, maybe they will.
Timwi
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...and with contributor interviews, to boot. I'm surprised nobody's
mentioned it yet - perhaps they're just being modest. :)
Note: Salon.com is a subscription site, but they offer a free "day pass"
for those who endure a brief ad. You will not be able to read the whole
article without doing so.
Everyone is an editor
In the wacky wiki world, a Web browser is all you need to start
contributing. But when the goal is to create an encyclopedia, such
democracy has some pitfalls.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Sam Williams
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2004/04/27/wikipedia/index.html
--
Jim Redmond (jredmond)
jim(a)scrubnugget.com
Every online activity attracts its share of uncooperative people. They
try to subvert the medium for their own selfish purposes, often merely
to get attention. Flamers, trolls, and their ilk. Oh, we got plenty of
them, and the white moustache on the upper lip is a dead giveaway! :-)
We could send them all to Sheldon's site. He specializes in
distinguishing between REAL and FAKE media information, so I'm sure it
would be no burden on him. On the other hand, he has no ethical problem
with "retaliation" so there's the risk that he might cause some of HIS
ilk to drip (or ooze) on over here -- which might sour the silky sweet
smoothness of our own experience. So that's no solution.
Maybe Sunir Shah would like them, over at MeatBall Wiki?
Uncle Ed (mostly kidding)