Richard Grevers wrote:
>And in some countries High-speed internet is charged
>for by data volume transferred. There is no way I'd be
>downloading any ISO images on an account with 1GB/month
>"free" and the rest at $0.2 ber MB.
Eh gads! 1 GB/month? That is so draconian. I do that easily in a week and
periodically in a single day when I'm updating my system. And that is just
/my/ computer; my partner and our roomate use even more bandwidth with online
games and downloading media files (and they are both Windows users so they
also have to update /way/ more often). We are only limited by speed; at any
one moment we are only able to share a single 1.5 MB/s DSL connection.
America is grand!
But the beauty of even having such a restricted pipeline as you do, is that
only one person in your community needs to download the ISO; then many, many
copies can be made of that single file. Then the updates can trickle-in
easily under your 1 GB limit.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Tim Starling wrote:
>I've just made a change to the software
>which allows sysops to ban logged-in
>users. See my post in wikitech-l for the
>technical details. It is currently in CVS.
>Once it's live, it should be a great help for
>dealing with Michael.
Thank you Tim! At least now we will force the vandals to take the time needed
to create a new login and force their modem to fetch a new IP address.
Auto expiration of IP bans and rollback of page moves would also be nice...
Anything to slow down vandals like Micheal and the MIT vandal is a good thing.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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DateTime: 8/25/2003 12:56:22 PM
ROFL!!!
I just went there. That was awesome!
I'm tempted to go there and adjust some of my favorite definitions.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 01:08:17 +1000
From: "Tim Starling" <ts4294967296(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Michael again *sigh*
To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org
Message-ID: <bit2vv$l1u$1(a)sea.gmane.org>
I've just made a change to the software which allows
sysops to ban
logged-in
users. See my post in wikitech-l for the technical
details. It is
currently
in CVS. Once it's live, it should be a great help for
dealing with
Michael.
-- Tim Starling.
Apart from the specific issue of Michael, what are the
rules to follow in terms of banning of a loggued in
user on the en wiki ?
Is it still supposed to be "sanctified" (I can't find
the exact proper word), or may sysop ban loggued-in
user just as they can ban ips ?
I suppose it was discussed somewhere, but I dunno
exactly
Will this be working on any wikipedia as well ?
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On 31 Aug 2003 at 21:16, wikien-l-request(a)Wikipedia.org wrote:
I've fixed the Penis page by undeletion and moving...
To undelete in Explorer, first bookmark this address:
http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Undelete&target=PAGENAME
Now, whenever you need to undelete, just go to that page (nothing bad happens
if you actually load it), change "PAGENAME" in the URL to the name of the page,
e.g. User:Scarequotes, and there you go.
Don't try using the Deletion log to get there, it takes forever to load,
usually.
Evercat
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:31:48 -0700
From: Toby Bartels <toby+wikipedia(a)math.ucr.edu>
Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Michael again *sigh*
To: Discussion list for English-language Wikipedia
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>Will this be working on any wikipedia as well ?
I don't know. Would you want it on [[fr:]]?
-- Toby
Me ? No :-)))
Or Utilisateur:Papotages would have been banned before
I was back from my holidays :-)
I think several french would be very happy to have
that feature. But there was never any serious
discussion since we considered a "fact" we could not.
Likely, f the feature is now possible, it will be
transfered.
Till now, we succeeded not to have any user name ever
banned (except perhaps Mulot, but that was in phase I,
I am still shivering in the memory of permanent
deletion). The reason probably is that Jimbo is not
able to follow some of the discussions.
If the feature is available, it will be used. And
probably not with Jimbo seal. Till now, conflict was
eventually "solved" through mass reversion and
protection of page. I suppose now it will perhaps be
through blocking.
It is easy to see on RC that a user is mass reverted.
It is not easy to see a page is protected (essentially
because people don't put headers, do not list it, and
others unprotect). But we may notice the user
protesting vehemently
However, if the user is blocked, we may not even
realise it (except for pure bliss coming down the
wikipedia after a fight). I wonder if it might not be
relevant to have somehow a warning somewhere telling
us that a user name has been blocked since last
connection. Otherwise, we might not notice and be able
to unblock him perhaps.
Just thoughts. Setting up blocking of names (which
will be block with the ip, so entirely prevent the
user to communicate with us) is just changing the
concept. It requires to adapt.
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Sometimes, RickK, Anthere's tone can appear as an attack but it is usually
just because, as someone whose first language is not english, the fact that
she made be being ironic may not communicated clearly. Most people find it
difficult to express subtle nuances in languages other than their mother
tongue. (You should hear me trying to be ironic in french!!!)
Please remember, folks, Michael is the bad guy here. RickK like so many of
us was simply trying to undo Michael's vandalism. Don't let Michael create a
situation where, as well as regularly vandalising our site, he starts fights
among decent users over how to deal with him. RickK tried to do the right
thing in the wrong way. Most of have at some stage. The sooner the Michael
problem is dealt with the better for all of us.
JT
>
>I'm going to try very hard not to take that as an attack, but it's very
>hard to do.
>
>RickK
>
>Anthere <anthere6(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>Rick giantsrick13 at yahoo.com
>Sun Aug 31 14:02:43 UTC 2003
>
>
>I did the delete. I thought the original page's
>history stayed with the original name. Sorry. I
>don't know how to do an undelete or I'd do it. But
>then, how do you rename it so that it keeps the
>history? And it was Michael who did the move to begin
>with. He's decided to visit us again today.
>
>RickK
>
>Perhaps it would be better than anyone practicing
>deletion, knew how to practice undeletion as well :-)
>check here and good luck
>
>http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3AVotes_for_undeletion
>
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I don't have a good enough connection to clean this up - in particular
the deletion log is taking forever to come up.
Someone moved [[Penis]] to [[/User:Scarequotes]]
Unfortunately, this was fixed by
1. deleting /[[/User:Scarequotes]]
2. pasting the text of [[Penis]] back in
So we have ow lost all of that page's edit history.
Please could someone fix?
( we need to undelete ///[[/User:Scarequotes]], and move it back)/
/
///
//
//
Rick giantsrick13 at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 31 14:02:43 UTC 2003
I did the delete. I thought the original page's
history stayed with the original name. Sorry. I
don't know how to do an undelete or I'd do it. But
then, how do you rename it so that it keeps the
history? And it was Michael who did the move to begin
with. He's decided to visit us again today.
RickK
Perhaps it would be better than anyone practicing
deletion, knew how to practice undeletion as well :-)
check here and good luck
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3AVotes_for_undeletion
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