WikiEN-l February 2008

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25 Jul '09

At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cool_Wall we had a complete list of cars which appear on the BBC Top Gear "Cool Wall". I removed this as being almost certainly a violation of copyright. It is now being argued that reproducing the list in full does not violate copyright, because it is not published in the show's magazine or on the website and has been compiled by collating the lists from numerous shows. It is further asserted that compiling the list from these shows does not constitute original research, although there is no known reliable secondary source for any of the data, let alone the complete collated list Original research? You decide. Copyright? I think so, but what do I know? Fancruft? Ooooh, tricky :-) Guidance appreciated. Guy (JzG) -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG

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Wikipedia:Ethics
by luke brandt 24 Jul '08

24 Jul '08

Just to let you guys know, prescriptive, descriptive and most importantly 'thoughtful' essays are welcomed at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ethics Best wishes to all Wikipedians for the new year

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[WikiEn-l] Why do edit conflicts suck so much?
by Nathan 18 Mar '08

18 Mar '08

Why is the edit conflict process so painful? When I get EC'd, it usually takes 20-30 seconds to work itself out and I typically get a JavaScript error to boot. Isn't there an easier way of handling edit conflicts that doesn't shut down a browser for up to 30 seconds on a brand new machine? Nathan

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Admin, RFA, RFB and whatnot...
by Screamer 08 Mar '08

08 Mar '08

I post this to the working list, because I want to opine, and I want to draw some attention to what I believe is a bad trend. I've read some RFA's and the recent RFB. I asked Riana if I could use her RFB as an example. I'm not asking anyone to go support or oppose it, you all can do that on your on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_bureaucratship/Riana When I look at some of the opposes and Neutrals, primarily the ones by Animate and FM, I get a little confused. (regarding the KM nomination) Since when did RFA and RFB become political and not about trust and abuse potential? It seems these discussions have evolved away from that. After reading Jimbo's opinion on the matter, and this was made, what a few years back, perhaps he should go semi nilly willy. I mean what do you have to do anyway, judge RFA, renames, bots on advice of BAG. How does kelly martins rfa nomination translate here. It does not. Any project can use good custodians, but damn, the bar is high. ./scream

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Who monitors Wikipedia?
by cpstar85 03 Mar '08

03 Mar '08

I am a National Team player for Canada Basketball. I noticed that Wikipedia did not contain any information about Canada Basketball. I attempted to create an entry but my posting keeps getting taken down. Can anyone tell me why?? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Who-monitors-Wikipedia--tp15765463p15765463.html Sent from the English Wikipedia mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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So, why do we provide porn?
by Steve Bennett 02 Mar '08

02 Mar '08

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_masturbation What is the thinking here? When did we decide that providing access to the sum total of human knowledge included porn? How does this enhance our mission? Steve

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A caution on reliable sourcing
by David Gerard 02 Mar '08

02 Mar '08

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/History_of_the_Bathtub/ - d.

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Re: [WikiEN-l] new compromise
by Thinboy00 (Wikipedia mailing list) 01 Mar '08

01 Mar '08

I accidentally sent with the wrong email address, see quoted text. The original message was canceled by myself. On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Thinboy00 <thinboy00(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Will this need a sitewide installation in monobook.js (or common.js)? > Also, can you make it so that if scripting is disabled, the images (or > tables) won't load? On second thought, whether they should load in > that case is debatable. > > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Raphael Wegmann <raphael(a)psi.co.at> wrote: > > Jimmy Wales schrieb: > > > Andrew Gray wrote: > > >> The basic problem is that when a debate is binary - include or don't > > >> include - we can't really compromise with both sides unless we get > > >> interestingly creative... > > > > > > I agree with Andrew that we should try to think beyond the simple binary > > > debate and look for interestingly creative solutions. I suspect > > > actually that in time, with sufficient creative genius, we can come up > > > with a quasi-Pareto-improving solution. > > > > > > > I've tried a new compromise in a sandbox page. > > It has almost no impact for the pro-image proponents > > as it only adds an ambox template on top of the page. > > All images stay per default visible. > > > > The ambox at the top of the page is offering our readers > > to hide all depictions of Muhammad with one click. > > > > Since we agreed to have a calligraphy as a lead image, > > those who don't want to see any depiction of Muhammad > > can just click the link in the ambox and read our article > > with all depictions of Muhammad hidden in collapsed tables. > > > > Unfortunately this solution needs some additional > > javascript (collapseAllTables() and expandAllTables()). > > > > If you want to see my compromise in action, you'll > > need to copy my > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raphael1/monobook.js > > > > After refreshing your browser cache (Shift-Reload), > > you should be able to see my compromise at > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raphael1/Muhammad > > > > To implement this compromise, we should think > > about a more general approach, something like a > > Template:CTbox (CollapseTablesBox). > > > > br > > -- > > Raphael > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WikiEN-l mailing list > > WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Thinboy00> > >> interestingly creative... > > > > > > I agree with Andrew that we should try to think beyond the simple binary > > > debate and look for interestingly creative solutions. I suspect > > > actually that in time, with sufficient creative genius, we can come up > > > with a quasi-Pareto-improving solution. > > > > > > > I've tried a new compromise in a sandbox page. > > It has almost no impact for the pro-image proponents > > as it only adds an ambox template on top of the page. > > All images stay per default visible. > > > > The ambox at the top of the page is offering our readers > > to hide all depictions of Muhammad with one click. > > > > Since we agreed to have a calligraphy as a lead image, > > those who don't want to see any depiction of Muhammad > > can just click the link in the ambox and read our article > > with all depictions of Muhammad hidden in collapsed tables. > > > > Unfortunately this solution needs some additional > > javascript (collapseAllTables() and expandAllTables()). > > > > If you want to see my compromise in action, you'll > > need to copy my > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raphael1/monobook.js > > > > After refreshing your browser cache (Shift-Reload), > > you should be able to see my compromise at > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raphael1/Muhammad > > > > To implement this compromise, we should think > > about a more general approach, something like a > > Template:CTbox (CollapseTablesBox). > > > > br > > -- > > Raphael > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WikiEN-l mailing list > > WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Thinboy00 > -- Sincerely, T > -- Sincerely, [[User:Thinboy00]]

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Re: [WikiEN-l] article help request
by WJhonson＠aol.com 01 Mar '08

01 Mar '08

In a message dated 2/29/2008 11:28:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com writes: Discussions, sure. This wasn't a discussion, it was a request for assistance.>> ------------------- I was responding to the follow-up question of whether this is a *working* list. To me that implies, whiteboarding of wiki-content. Will Johnson **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

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More fair use image overreaching
by arromdee＠rahul.net 01 Mar '08

01 Mar '08

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#Interesting_im… Can anyone honestly say that this free image has the same educational value as the fair use image? Yet that's exactly what's being argued. You can't even see his face in the free image.

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