Mr Paul Vogel wrote:
>Michael Snow doesn't seem to think it "bad" when
>either he and his "ilk" direct numerous and FALSE
>offensive statements at other Wikipedians, though,
>does he?
>
If I have made any, let alone numerous, false or offensive statements
directed at other Wikipedians, I hope somebody will let me know, so that
I can do what is possible to correct my mistake. But I can accept no
responsibility for my ilk; it will have to account for itself.
My only other comment is to clarify what Mr. Paul Vogel apparently did
not understand in my previous post. I am not suggesting that we
sacrifice the NPOV policy. That is and should remain, quoting Jimbo,
"absolute and non-negotiable". Rather, I meant that just because
somebody contributes a particular point of view to the discussion, that
should not immunize them from the consequences of their behavior. We can
get that same point of view from other sources, if necessary, and still
achieve NPOV.
--Michael Snow
User is blocked
>From Wikipedia, the free POV-CENSORED encyclopedia?
Your user name or IP address has been blocked by
Infrogmation. The reason given is this:
Vogel wackiness
Putting in the link to http://www.jewwatch.com as a
criticism link to "Judaism" or to "Jew" articles is
hardly "Vogel wackiness", which I do consider to be
only a false "personal insult", and which only proves
what typical liars and censorous pov bigots and
slanderous hypocrites this "Infrogmation" and his
particular "ilk" of admins. actually are here at
Wikipedia.
Best regards,
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
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Just a note to say that I am taking time out from Wikipedia.
The US bias and biased editing of political articles is getting to me.
I've decided that I've got better things to do with my time than fight
with the US right.
Caroline / Secretlondon
From: <>
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:53:37 -0400
To: jwales(a)bomis.com
Subject: wikipedia and RFLP
Just a quick note to tell you that you need to have the content of the page
dealing with RFLP corrected. One of my students used it as a source and found
that RFLP is referred to as a property of DNA (it is a technique) and that the
DNA is first usually amplified by pcr - it is NOT usually done in this manner.
PLEASE check content - the page is mis-informative.
<name omitted> PhD
Assistant Professor of Biology
<university name omitted>
Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Paul Vogel
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
< Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration
All of the slanderous charges of "anti-Semitism"
against Paul Vogel are bogus. If one bothers to check
the Paul Vogel quotes that were taken out of context
by his detractors and then compare them to the
arguements and to the reverts and censorship by pov
bigots that preceeded them, it is very clear that Paul
Vogel was attempting to maintain "factual accuracy"
and a NPOV and objective balance relative to all of
the articles in question, and that the pov bigoted and
quite slanderous "criticism" of his religion of
Cosmotheism by David Gerard, which can be seen in the
TalkPages there, and after the consensus and peace and
a revert war was concluded.
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"Well, I wasn't in Europe, but in Georgia and North
Carolina."
Ok, in any event, you were quite difficult to reach,
and may as well have been in Europe! LOL! :D
"Anyone planning an ABUSIVE POWER GRAB is advised to
note that we've scheduled all of those for June, when
I really will be away."
Great, now you'll just encourage them, Jimmy! LOL! :D
"In any event, Paul, I just got back, and I don't know
what's going on,"
I know you don't know, which is why I sent this and
these e-mails to let you know what was really going on
behind your back while you were away down South!
"but anyone who writes IN HUGE CAPITAL LETTERS and
doesn't really explain what the exact problem is,
loses a lot of sympathy."
It is IN HUGE CAPITAL LETTERS, Jimmy, just to get your
and EVERYONE's attention. I don't want to get any
"sympathy", Jimmy, what I ONLY want is JUSTICE!
Mr Paul Vogel wrote:
> EVERYONE that is a user and contributor to this Wiki
> Project NEEDS to become AWARE of what is GOING ON
> about this ABUSIVE POWER GRAB by a SMALL ILK or
GROUP of CENSOROUS POV BIGOTS within the WIKI
community project while Jimmy Wales is away in Europe
that are falsely and slanderously always attempting to
BAN, BLOCK, and CENSOR ME.
>
> If you do let them get away with this,
> YOU could be CENSORED and BANNED, NEXT!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Paul Vogel
> http://www.cosmotheism.net
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Forwarded message about which I have no knowledge or opinion...
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From: <>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:04:19 +0100
To: <jwales(a)bomis.com>
Subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Freedman
Hi,
Could you please make sure that the page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Freedman is cleared as I do not want to
have it there (I created the page originally) and as well it seems that
there seems to be somekind of copyright problem. As well, I am deeply
unsatisfied that I was able to fill in pages because I got such a headache
from doing this for a day that I was completely unable to read at all.
Please restrict the possibility of doing pages without permissions or
authority.
Respectfully,
<>
Well, I wasn't in Europe, but in Georgia and North Carolina. Anyone
planning an ABUSIVE POWER GRAB is advised to note that we've scheduled
all of those for June, when I really will be away.
In any event, Paul, I just got back, and I don't know what's going on,
but anyone who writes IN HUGE CAPITAL LETTERS and doesn't really explain
what the exact problem is, loses a lot of sympathy.
Mr Paul Vogel wrote:
> EVERYONE that is a user and contributor to this Wiki
> Project NEEDS to become AWARE of what is GOING ON
> about this ABUSIVE POWER GRAB by a SMALL ILK or GROUP
> of CENSOROUS POV BIGOTS within the WIKI community
> project while Jimmy Wales is away in Europe that are
> falsely and slanderously always attempting to BAN,
> BLOCK, and CENSOR ME.
>
> If you do let them get away with this,
> YOU could be CENSORED and BANNED, NEXT!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Paul Vogel
> http://www.cosmotheism.net
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Note: forwarded message attached.
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: Mr Paul Vogel <bannedneedle(a)yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:58:33 -0700 (PDT)
> To: jwales(a)bomis.com
> Subject: LYNCH MOB against Paul Vogel by the usual ilk of Censorous Lying
> Hypocrites, Jimmy.
>
> LYNCH MOB against "Paul Vogel" by the usual pov ilk of
> Censorous Lying Hypocrites, Jimmy.
>
> You really should get involved in this dispute, Jimmy,
> before it gets totally out of hand and
> a CABAL or ilk of POV Censorous, Slanderous, and Lying
> and Hypocritical BIGOTS and DOGMATISTS actually takes
> over the entire Wikipedia Encyclopedia Project:
> -PV
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> Procedure for Requesting Arbitration
> Currently, the arbitrators accept referrals from Jimbo
> Wales only, which they decide to arbitrate on based on
> the voting procedure described at
> wikipedia:arbitration policy.
>
> Now that the arbitration policy is complete, we are
> currently taking suggestions for improvements at
> Wikipedia talk:Arbitration policy comments. After
> implementing those improvements, we'll have a formal
> vote. At this point we will take requests directly
> from Wikipedians, on this page. In the mean time,
> please make alternative arrangements or, in emergency
> cases, ask Jimbo to refer the case to us.
>
>
> Current requests
> The procedure for accepting requests is descibed at
> arbitration policy. Be brief - put a quick list of the
> nature of the complaints. Link to detailed evidence
> elsewhere if you need to.
>
> User:24.45.99.191
> Paul Vogel is an anonymous user who has had temporary
> bans implemented him on several occasions for
> trolling, breaking the revert rule and making abusive
> comments. 24.45.99.191is his most common IP address
> but according to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Paul
> Vogel he also uses:
> 24.45.99.191 (optonline.net ? broadband provider)
> 65.125.10.66 (tcius.com ? marketing company)
> 66.2.156.* (10, 27, 36, 38, 48, 69, 100, 123)
> (algx.net NY dialups)
> 216.99.245.* (139, 146**, 153, 154, 170, 171, 184,
> 188) (algx.net NY dialups)
> (**) new
> He has been especially prevalent (and abusive) on
> Holocaust, Anti-Semitism, Cosmotheism, White
> Separatism, Judaism, Genocide and associated talk
> pages.
>
> I wish to request a permanent block against Vogel and
> his various IP addresses. AndyL 04:26, 21 Apr 2004
> (UTC)
>
> It is clear that a cabal of censorous pov bigots have
> falsely accused me of being a "troll", "vandal", or of
> making "abusive comments" on some TalkPages, or of
> "breaking the 3-revert rule". This is psychological
> projection by a pov mob or ilk of lying hypocrites. I
> do request Sam Spade, to be my "advocate", and I also
> can provide evidence to demonstrate the fact that
> those here attempting to have me banned and to have me
> censored, are themselves "trolls", "vandals", and have
> themselves broken the 3-revert rule and have hurled
> "personal insults" and have abused and used slanderous
> and false personal insults and "abusive comments" as
> their own stock in trade and in their own pov bigoted
> and biased campaign of "character assassination".-PV
>
>
> I agree to being his advocate, in this circumstance
> and others, until I such time as I might find cause to
> recuse myself. Sam Spade 22:30, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
> Seconded. User has an unbroken five-month record of
> personal attacks, revert wars, vandalisms, and so
> forth. ?No-One Jones 04:30, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
>
> Another typical case of Psychological projection by
> Mirv, ad nauseum.-PV
>
>
> And did I mention that he constantly tries to diagnose
> psychological problems based on what people write on
> Wikipedia? Not sure if that behavior is within the
> purview of the arbitrators, but. . . ?No-One Jones
> 15:40, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC):-)
> In your case, it is quite obvious and clear, as "lying
> hypocrisy" is a key indicator of psychological
> projection.
>
>
> "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy
> brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in
> thine own eye?" - Matthew 7:3 King James Version of
> the Bible
> It is not "rocket science", Mirv.-PV
>
>
>
>
> I believe Vogel is currently under a 24 hour ban. He
> has apparently circumvented this by posting under
> 216.99.245.146 He's been on Wikipedia for months but
> has refused to register, it would seem, so he can
> circumvent discipline more easily. AndyL 02:15, 23 Apr
> 2004 (UTC)
> Vogel was expressly banned by Hadal for 48 hours and
> has now returned (as 216.99.245.146) to continue to
> engage in an edit war.GrazingshipIV 02:19, Apr 23,
> 2004 (UTC)
>
> I personally don't see a reason to go through such
> contortions in order to deal with this user. He has
> made ad hominem attacks a central tactic in his
> "debates" with others and will see no compromise. The
> community has put up with him for months; much time
> and energy has been wasted in vain pursuit of accord
> with Vogel.
>
> As I do not see quickpolls as an appropriate method of
> resolving what should be a simple matter of an IP
> blatantly violating policy, I also do not see
> arbitration as necessary in this case. It's another
> waste of time and energy which would be much better
> spent building Wikipedia or dealing with problem users
> who bother to log in (and, for that matter, have done
> more than disrupt). I have re-blocked Vogel's primary
> (static) IP for 96 hours, as I promised I would do if
> he tried to evade the original 48 hour block. If he
> attempts to evade this block as well, I will make the
> block indefinite. I'll do the same if he does not
> moderate himself in the future.
>
> If others want to pledge themselves to what will
> surely be wasted effort, that's their choice. In the
> meantime, I'll do what I believe is best for the
> community. Wikipedia is not the Stormfront forums;
> Paul Vogel knows this as well as anyone else. -- Hadal
> 04:05, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
>
> Arbitators opinions on hearing this matter
> We should hear this. I believe it is Wikipedia policy
> that pushing an extreme point of view is not in itself
> grounds for banning. However there are a number of
> Wikipedia policies which by necessity must be violated
> in an effort to aggressively push a point of view. I
> think, based on a preliminary review of
> Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Paul Vogel there are
> sufficient grounds for consideration of his actions.
> Fred Bauder 13:24, Apr 21, 2004 (UTC)
> Agree with Fred; support. James F. (talk) 13:26, 21
> Apr 2004 (UTC)
> Both sides seem to want us to arbitrate, so by all
> means let us do so. Martin 21:52, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
>
>
>
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The same Censorious "ILK" is alive and well within
Wikipedia!
This lying and hypocritical and slanderous "ilk" is
the same one that is trying to block, censor, and ban
PAUL VOGEL!!!!
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Anti-Semitic 'Jew' site top of Google search
Mar. 31, 2004 22:56 | Updated Apr. 2, 2004 18:31
Anti-Semitic 'Jew' site top of Google search
By MICHAEL MYLREA
What is a Jew? Those hoping to find out from a Google
search are in for an unpleasant surprise. The first of
1.75 million entries that appear when you type "Jew"
into the search engine is an anti-Semitic site.
This discovery by a New York real-estate developer,
among others, has sparked a cyberspace showdown, and a
bid to alter the situation by a small band of Internet
experts.
While surfing the Web from his New York home,
real-estate investor Steven Weinstock was shocked to
find Jew Watch, filled with propaganda similar to that
used by the Nazis.
"At first I felt surprised, and then those feelings
turned to shock," he said.
What upset him most is not that hatemongers might be
publishing such lies, but that any person looking to
find out about Judaism would be offered choices such
as the "Jewish Controlled Press," "Jewish World
Conspiracies," "Jewish Media Lies," and "Jewish
Banking and Financial Manipulations." Under one of the
categories, titled "Revisionists � 6,000,000 Jews DID
NOT DIE," there are dozens of links to articles
dedicated to Holocaust revisionism.
Weinstock has been working to get rid of the site.
Last Saturday, he launched his own Web site, called
Remove Jew Watch, containing a petition which received
more than 3,000 signatures in its first 48 hours �
1,500 on Monday alone. He also wrote an e-mail to
Google, demanding that it remove the site.
In an e-mail response, Google refused: "Unfortunately,
no computer can assess the morality, tastefulness, or
honesty of a site's content. Results are determined by
computer algorithms using thousands of factors to
calculate a page's relevance to a given query."
Emboldened by Google's refusal, Daniel Sieradski,
editor of the Jew School, a site devoted to Jewish
fringe culture, decided to take matters into his own
hands. Using a method called Google bombing, which
exploits a quirk in Google's algorithms, he hoped to
raise another site to the No. 1 rank.
"I decided to issue a call to arms on my Web site,"
Sieradski said. "Within a week, my proposal caught the
attention of other Jewish bloggers [keepers of
Web-based diaries] in the US, Canada, and Israel."
Sieradski's efforts paid off. The Wikipedia
encyclopedia listing for "Jew," which just a week ago
held no rank on Google, rose to the fourth-highest
entry. But Sieradski is still not satisfied.
"Our work is not yet done," he said. "We've got quite
a way to go before we reach No. 1, and then start to
push Jew Watch completely off the first page."
Jew Watch's founder, Frank Weltner, did not respond to
enquiries from the The Jerusalem Post.
Jew Watch's description of itself is bland: "Archive
of essays, articles, and on-line books about a
perceived international Jewish conspiracy: Keeping a
Close Watch on Jewish Communities & Organizations
Worldwide."
Inside, a dozen or so articles suggest that Jews are
living out The Protocols of The Elders of Zion � a
forgery that has fueled Jewish persecution for more
than a century.
Perversely, the site also has links to Jewish
community and civil rights organizations such as B'nai
B'rith, the American Civil Liberties Union, and the
Simon Wiesenthal Center, but lists them as "Jewish
Hate Groups."
"If it means hating extremists, racists, and
anti-Semites, then this title is well deserved," said
Dr. Efraim Zuroff, director of the Simon Wiesenthal
Center in Jerusalem. "Not to fight against these
groups increases their potential to poison the minds
of millions."
There is an inherent danger when a hate site
masquerades as an academic resource, said Brian Marcus
of the civil-rights division of the Anti-Defamation
League.
"One of our major concerns is that children unable to
discern what is true will stumble onto these hate
sites," he said. "There have been many cases where
children unknowingly turn in school reports that
contain anti-Semitic and racist remarks."
Stopping hate sites has been difficult, said Zuroff.
"What is going on is really outrageous; they can get
away with saying the worst things: lies, anti-Semitic,
xenophobic, and racist remarks. And yet all of our
efforts to date to get these sites off the Web have
been unsuccessful because the First Amendment enables
people to make racist and anti-Semitic remarks."
Another factor is that censorship laws in America
focus on sexual content, said Lee Tein, a senior staff
attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a
group dedicated to preserving on-line civil liberties.
"For American censors, sex has always been the big
issue," said Tein. "The First Amendment tends to be
understood as being especially protective of political
speech, and that puts racist or hate speech in a
different realm."
Education is the best form of defense, said Laura Kam
Issacharoff, co-director of the Anti-Defamation League
office in Jerusalem. "We have long been proponents of
educating the American public about hatred on the
Internet, though as representatives of a minority, we
prefer to adhere to the democratic values opposed to
censorship."
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