WikiEN-l June 2011

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Linkage bloat
by Carcharoth 11 Dec '11

11 Dec '11

Is there any chance for progress to be made on this? I recently ran into this problem again at a featured article candidate I was reviewing. It is has a very worthy 'National Historic Landmarks' set of templates at the bottom, but unfortunately this leads to massive template linkage bloat. Of the over 100 articles that link to this article, I estimate that only three links are from within the text of other articles - the rest are from the templates. If I had been able to see at a glance that this article was linked from two other articles, I would have been able to make a suggestion to link back to those articles, and maybe link from other articles. As it was, I was unable to do this and this caused some problems (which it is best not to go into here). So is there anyway to encourage or help with whatever needs to be done here? Carcharoth On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:10 AM, David Goodman <dggenwp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > agreed. The footer templates are the biggest source of linkage bloat. > the templates are useful, and we need some way of keeping track of > what should be in them when we add or delete articles, but they make > working with what links here for any practical purpose extremely > difficult. They'd be much more helpful if they were separated. > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Carcharoth <carcharothwp(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: >>> On 07/02/11 10:56, Carcharoth wrote: >>>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Magnus Manske >>>> <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Many of these links are due to templates, which I can do little about. >>>> >>>> Can *anyone*, even in principle, do something about that? It really >>>> bugs me that the "what links here" function doesn't distinguish >>>> between links arising from templates (often not directly relevant) and >>>> links directly from the article wiki-text. If the answer is something >>>> to do with parsers, please do explain! >>> >>> Yes, it's possible. It was necessary to register links from templates >>> in the pagelinks table so that when a page is deleted or created, the >>> HTML caches can be updated so that the link colour will change. With a >>> schema change and some parser work, it would be possible to flag such >>> links so that they are optional in "what links here". >> >> That would be wonderful. It might even get me to create a bugzilla >> account to vote for a bug if there is one open on this...(of course, >> one problem is still that some templates are relevant to article >> content and some are not - the ones that generate distracting links >> are the navigational ones that tend to be at the bottom of pages, the >> footer templates - and I'm not sure if infobox links would count as >> template links or not - they are generated from parsing of a template >> parameter, but don't appear in the template itself, unlike the footer >> navboxes). >> >> [In case anyone is confused, an example is the massive footer >> templates that can lead to Nobel prize winners decades apart linking >> to each other, or diverse topics within a broad area linking to each >> other, though only through templates and not in the text. Oh, and some >> links appear in both footer templates, infoboxes, and the article >> 'text'. Not sure how that is handled.] >> >> Carcharoth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> > -- > David Goodman > > DGG at the enWP > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >

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I like this
by James Farrar 21 Oct '11

21 Oct '11

"10:20, 29 April 2011 Jimbo Wales (talk | contribs) m (37,376 bytes) (moved Kate Middleton to Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge over redirect: Marriage to the Duke of Cambridge) (undo) " He must have had his finger on the button waiting for Beardie[*] to pronounce them man and wife... [*] I can call him that; my mother knows him reasonably well

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How to contact the author of a wiki page?
by Peng Yu 27 Aug '11

27 Aug '11

Hi, I have some questions regarding a wiki page, so I want to ask the authors of the page to get clarifications. Does anybody know how to find the authors and contact them, for example, for the following page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-binomial_distribution -- Regards, Peng

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Rating the English wikipedia
by Fences&Windows 31 Jul '11

31 Jul '11

Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:16:12 +0000 From: Ian Woollard <ian.woollard(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Rating the English wikipedia >This encyclopedia has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale. >This encyclopedia has been checked against the following criteria for >B-Class status: <snip> >2. Coverage and accuracy: criterion not met (currently 3.5 million >of an estimated 4.4 million articles) <snip> You think there are only 4.4 million possible topics? Based on what criteria? Stevertigo also thought this in the essay Wikipedia:Concept limit, which I tagged as [citation needed]. There are probably tens of millions of potentially notable topics, if not hundreds of millions. However, we're better at deleting new articles than writing them and writing a new article that will survive these days requires more detailed research than in years gone by.

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Fundraiser testing
by Peter Coombe 02 Jul '11

02 Jul '11

Hi everyone. Just a quick note to let you know, the fundraising team will be testing some banners on the English Wikipedia tomorrow (Thursday) from 17:00 - 18:00 UTC. They will only be displayed for anonymous users. Pete / the wub

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WikiLove Extension on Prototype
by Howie Fung 02 Jul '11

02 Jul '11

Hi all, We’re testing a new tool for expressing appreciation to other users and are hoping that you’ll help test it and give us feedback. You can find a more detailed rationale for this tool, as well as instructions for testing, in our blog post here: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/06/24/wikilove-an-experiment-in-appreciation/ You may test the feature by following the instructions here: http://prototype.wikimedia.org/release-en/WikiLove For more information on the Wikilove extension, please visit [1] and [2] Thanks for your help! Howie [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikiLove_1.0 [2] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiLove

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Data Competition: Announcing the Wikipedia Participation Challenge
by Howie Fung 29 Jun '11

29 Jun '11

Everyone, I wanted to let everyone know that we just announced the first of two data challenges this year. The Wikipedia Participation Challenge is a data modeling competition where contestants are tasked with developing an algorithm that predicts future editing activity of editors on the English Wikipedia. More details may be found on the blog post: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/06/28/data-competition-announcing-the-wikipe… We’re very excited about this competition. The competition starts today and runs until September 20, 2011. More information on the competition may be found here: http://www.kaggle.com/c/wikichallenge (Kaggle is a company that hosts online data competitions. They are helping us manage this competition on a pro-bono basis). Just like Wikipedia, it’s open to anyone who wants to participate, so please spread the word! Howie

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image description pages for latex equations rendered as images
by priyank bagrecha 28 Jun '11

28 Jun '11

Hi Do the latex equations rendered as images, dont have a image description page. If they do, how do I go about getting an xml for them? Consider the image below. http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/f/6/a/f6ac8632c237011599f300e62d916859.png. It is on page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid. I can't find the image description page for this image. If it doesnt have a description page, is this true only for images with class tex? Or is it the case for some other classes of image as well? Thanks :)

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Brain Calisthenics for Abstract Ideas
by Marc Riddell 22 Jun '11

22 Jun '11

Hi. I realize this has nothing directly to do with the WP Project, but here's an article I thought many of you might find interesting: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/07/health/07learn.html?emc=tnt&tntemail0=y Enjoy. Marc Riddell

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Waiting for CV
by Gwern Branwen 21 Jun '11

21 Jun '11

A recent _Wired_ article put me in mind of Wikipedia's copyright paranoia: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/06/fair-use-defense/ > The lawsuit decided Monday targeted Wayne Hoehn, a Vietnam veteran who posted all 19 paragraphs of November editorial from the Las Vegas Review-Journal, which is owned by Stephens Media. Hoehn posted the article, and its headline, “Public Employee Pensions: We Can’t Afford Them” on medjacksports.com to prompt discussion about the financial affairs of the nation’s states. Hoehn was a user of the site, not an employee. > > Righthaven sought up to $150,000, the maximum in damages allowed under the Copyright Act. Righthaven argued that the November posting reduced the number of eyeballs that would have visited the Review-Journal site to read the editorial. > > “Righthaven did not present any evidence that the market for the work was harmed by Hoehn’s noncommercial use for the 40 days it appeared on the website. Accordingly, there is no genuine issue of material fact that Hoehn’s use of the work was fair and summary judgment is appropriate,” Judge Pro ruled. > > ...Judge Pro, in his fair-use analysis, also found that the posting was for noncommercial purposes, and was part of an “online discussion.” -- gwern http://www.gwern.net

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