If the moderators of this mailing list are around, would they or
anyone else subscribed to the list be able to throw up some statistics
about how much the traffic has declined over the past few years? I'm
asking because looking at the archives, I think that last month
(November 2014) was the first month since the mailing list started in
September 2001 that there were no posts to the this mailing list (the
wiki-en-l mailing list for discussion of matters related to the
English Wikipedia).
Admittedly, the list has been moribund for a long time, but I'm not
sure exactly when the tipping point was reached (most meta-discussion
seems to take place either on-wiki, at meta, or on the Wikimedia-l
mailing list). What is the general view in the Wikimedia universe on
maintaining low-traffic lists like this? It might be time to discuss
what future this mailing list has.
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Actually, looking at the list of moderators, how many of them are still around?
Carcharoth
People are made aware with each edit as an I am that their information is publicly available. What concerns me about removing IP information is that it'll remove our ability to fight spam, detect socks, and respond to emergency@ issues, unless I've missed something?
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Brian J Mingus <brian.mingus(a)colorado.edu> </div><div>Date:03-29-2015 4:36 PM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: David Carson <carson63000(a)gmail.com> </div><div>Cc: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Privacy Study Looking for Volunteers </div><div>
</div>Wikipedia is set up such that if you don't take the measures mentioned in
the OP, you are dox'ing yourself. Users are not aware of this.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 4:33 PM, David Carson <carson63000(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> "Wikipedia:Free speech" (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_speech) is probably worth a
> read.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Free_speech
>
> It's not directly about privacy but I think it clearly covers the ground
> that Wikipedia is a project to create an online encyclopedia, not an
> experiment in radical free speech. The system is set up to facilitate that
> goal.
>
> If you think that recording IP addresses is invasive, then you should
> probably be publishing your content on your own website, not Wikipedia.
>
> Cheers,
> David...
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Brian J Mingus <brian.mingus(a)colorado.edu
> > wrote:
>
>> In general people do not read privacy policies, nor do they understand
>> what
>> IP addresses are or what you can do with them.
>>
>> But if you recall, I simply stated that recording IP addresses is
>> invasive.
>> And it is.
>>
>> This is especially true when you know that your recordings are faciliating
>> the active de-anonymization of people who are editing Wikipedia. Not just
>> de-anonymization, but often public shaming.
>>
>> For WMF, the principle of neutrality clearly trumps the principles of
>> privacy and free speech. For the NSA, substitute security for neutrality.
>> It's hypocritical.
>>
>> Luckily, it's easy to fix. Just stuff the ip fields with random numbers
>> and
>> deal with the fallout. Stop tracking people.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > In order:
>> >
>> > 1. Yes, the WMF is suing the NSA. There are a few threads/blog posts
>> > about this people here can point you to.
>> > 2. Brian: The NSA needs to store data without the permission or
>> > consent of the people generating it, sometimes through forcible
>> > interception, decryption and the introduction and maintenance of
>> > software exploits that allow them to do this but also allow any other
>> > reasonably technical nation or non-nation actor who is paying
>> > attention to exploit the same vulnerability, keeping this data for an
>> > indefinite period, with very little legal or political oversight, in
>> > order to stop terrorism, where very little evidence exists that this
>> > has helped in any way.
>> >
>> > The WMF needs to store data for a 90 day period, which is explicitly
>> > set down in a privacy policy that is transparent, human-readable,
>> > linked from every edit interface, written with the involvement of the
>> > people whose data is being stored, administered by a committee of
>> > people who come from this population of editors, and explicitly sets
>> > out what the data may or may not be used for, even within the
>> > Wikimedia Foundation, in order to stop vandalism, where multiple
>> > scientific studies have validated the hypothesis that being able to
>> > make rangeblocks and prohibit sockpuppetry is beneficial to the
>> > community we are all a part of and the wider population of readers.
>> >
>> > That's what's actually going on, here. If you thing these situations
>> > are roughly analogous, that's your prerogative. If you think the
>> > storage of this data is unnecessary, I recommend you go to your local
>> > project and explain to them that being able to checkuser potential
>> > sockpuppets or hard-block users is not needed: gaining consensus there
>> > would be a good starting point to changing this.
>> >
>> > On 29 March 2015 at 11:57, James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Wikipedia is suing the NSA? Seriously?
>> > > On 28 Mar 2015 11:23, "Brian J Mingus" <brian.mingus(a)colorado.edu>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> It has worked up to now, but I'm thinking that, especially given
>> > Wikimedia
>> > >> is suing the NSA, it is no longer justifiable. If the NSA can't track
>> > >> citizens, Wikimedia shouldn't be tracking them either. Seems simple
>> :)
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Francesco Ariis <fa-ml(a)ariis.it>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 01:19:35PM -0400, Brian J Mingus wrote:
>> > >> > > I think it's rather curious that edits to Wikipedia aren't
>> private.
>> > Why
>> > >> > log
>> > >> > > the IP address? Why log anything? It's invasive.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I guess it's a sensible choice against abuse (vandalism) while
>> still
>> > >> > allowing non registered users editing rights
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
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Hi all,
I'm representing a team of researchers from Drexel University who are
researching privacy practices among Wikipedia editors. If you have ever
thought about your privacy when editing Wikipedia or taken steps to protect
your privacy when you edit, we’d like to learn from you about it.
The study is titled “Privacy, Anonymity, and Peer Production.” Details can
be found on meta where the project was discussed before beginning
recruitment here: (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Anonymity_and_Peer_Production).
If you would like to help us out, you need to read and complete the online
consent form linked here and we will get in contact with you:
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We are planning to conduct interviews that will last anywhere from 30-90
minutes (depending on how much you have to say) by phone or Skype and we
can offer you $20 for your time, but you do not need to accept payment to
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I have been researching Wikipedia since 2004 and have conducted many
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Thanks for considering it, please contact me if you have questions!
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> From: James Alexander <jalexander(a)wikimedia.org>
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> The idea of the IP being more private in the history/ public logs (for
> example a unique hash so that you know it's "an IP" but not where/what IP"
> ) is one that I know has been discussed and is desired by a good number
> within the foundation including within legal. I'll try to look for the
> phabricator task about it tomorrow. I think that's something that is likely
> to happen, it isn't easy though and requires a fair number of resources to
> be pointed at it to get it done so it's a question of priorities and
> convincing those who decide those things that it should be higher. I
> believe it's something, privacy wise, that legal would really like.
>
> I think it is unlikely in the short to medium term, however, to get rid of
> the IPs in the backend (in server logs and in the checkuser system for
> example) because the replacements just aren't there. I've spent a good
> amount of time thinking of a way to make the checkuser system as usable as
> necessary without revealing IPs for example (including a consultant who
> looked a lot but didn't really come up with anything we didn't know
> already). I think it's doable, but it would be a very difficult and long
> design process and I think it's unlikely in the near future.
>
> James Alexander
> Community Advocacy
> Wikimedia Foundation
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>
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Kyanos <someanon126(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe a different license is needed. CC licenses can be used for
>> anonymous works: The author is not given and does not have to be credited,
>> but everything else (attribution of the work and share-alike) would stay
>> the same. So a change in the terms of use to the effect of, "Unregistered
>> edits are considered to have no named author," would be sufficient.
>>
>> Kyanos
>>
>>> On 03/27/2015 06:41 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should move to a different licensing model for future IP
>>> edits. CC0 for IP edits would be a more sensible license for edits by an IP
>>> where in many cases no-one could attribute the edit to the individual who
>>> made it. If people don't want to release their edits as CC0 they can always
>>> create an account.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Jonathan Cardy
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 27 Mar 2015, at 10:28, Elias Friedman <elipongo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's actually required so as to provide attribution as per the Creative
>>>> Commons and other licenses we operate under.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Droid 4
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