> From: Rick <giantsrick13(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia in the news
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3653425.stm
The writer of the article, among other things, says: "As an old-time
socialist, I believe that social justice will come from the freely made
choices of us all... Wikis, like the old Left Book Club, the Workers'
Educational Association and the trade union movement, show what that
collective action can achieve when it is based on trust and shared
interest."
Let the flamewar begin!
--
Daniel P. B. Smith, dpbsmith(a)verizon.net
Mr Paul Vogel wrote:
>Indeed.
>Do NOT throw out the good with the bad, as I do
>actually suspect has really happened here and as often
>as NOT, David.
>
My personal feeling about Wikipedia is that sometimes it is necessary to
"throw out the good with the bad." The "good", in this instance, I see
as the contribution of alternative points of view that when
appropriately presented bring our encyclopedia closer to NPOV. The
"bad", in contrast, is having someone direct numerous offensive
statements at other Wikipedians.
I am not going to weigh the good and bad brought to Wikipedia by Mr.
Paul Vogel. That is for the arbitration committee to do. But there is no
reason to be ashamed of throwing out the good with the bad, if the bad
is more than we can tolerate. There are other sources of the same good
(with the double meaning of "good" as in commodity), and we can get it
without having to poison our community.
--Michael Snow
Paul Vogel's anti-Semitism?
What about Steve and his own ilks typical
bigoted and selfish CENSORSHIP of any
non-Kosher or alternative POV's?
http://www.natvan.com/pdf/04-24-04.pdf
This same ilk of lying and hypocritcal censorous
bigots are slandering me to have me banned, blocked,
and censored.
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
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I created a quickpoll on TDC for violating the 3x/day revert rule. How
should I publicize this? Is there a way to alert all users, like a
little notice on the main page or when they log in?
Uncle Ed
"Paul Vogel wrote: a bunch of hysterics"
Paul Vogel wrote a "bunch of hysterics"? or an ilk of
lying hypocrites have, David, in a bigoted attempt to
have me BANNED, BLOCKED, and CENSORED????
"Paul, I advise you to cease your campaign of flooding
the mailing list with your complaints."
I advise you to cease your "personal insults" of
"hysterics", David.
"They are inappropriately offensive and this list
is an inappropriate place to engage in such
arguments."
It is offensive and inappropriate for you to defend
any such ilks censorship,lying hypocrisy, and selfish
bigotry, David.
"If you have complaints about how you or your ideas
are being treated, I invite you to follow the
procedures outlined in
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution".
I already had, and they fell on deaf ears, David.
"The postings you have made to the mailing list today
are not likely to be looked kindly upon by the members
of the arbitration committee if
your case should appear before them."
Only if they themselves are bigots, and do refuse to
see the factual evidence that is made available to
them, David.
"I would like to point out to you that there have been
previous instances when exteremly upset Wikipedians
have gone on posting rampages making
wild accusations on the mailing list, as you have."
I am sure that this has happened before, with other
innocent victims, and also with some well and with
some deserving "Trolls" and "Vandals", which I am NOT,
David.
"All those users have either left Wikipedia or ended
up permanently banned."
Indeed.
Do NOT throw out the good with the bad, as I do
actually suspect has really happened here and as often
as NOT, David.
"If you have any interest at all in continuing to
contribute to Wikipedia, I suggest you
start behaving within the policies and guidelines for
behavior set by Wikipedia, EVEN IF you believe that
others are not obeying the policies."
NO.
Either EVERYONE is TREATED EQUALLY, without
DOUBLE-STANDARDS, with those POLICIES, or this WIKI
PROJECT is being run by CENSOROUS and HYPOCRITICAL
LIARS and POV BIGOTS, David.
"Two wrongs do not make a right."
Then support the rights, and NOT the WRONGS, David.
BE a REAL MAN!
"Finally, since you seem to have totally flown off the
handle, I expect you are unlikely to do any of what I
ask."
Indeed. You first, David. Lead by example.
"Don't be surprised, then, when people treat you
abusively in response to your treating them
abusively."
Indeed, but, you do always forget that it has been the
other way around, David.
Your own pov bias and lying hypocrisy is showing.
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
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Paul Vogel's anti-Semitism?
What about Jewish anti-Cosmotheism????!!!
What about the LYNCH MOB against PAUL VOGEL by this
same ilk of lying and hypocritical and double-standard
censorous pov bigots!
Read do the following link for YOUR OWN SELF and just
see if YOU THINK that I am being UNREASONABLE or if
Steven and his ilk of lying hypocrites and bigoted pov
censors are the actual ones being UNREASONABLE!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cosmotheism
Best regards,
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
PS-A SLANDERED, CENSORED, BANNED, and BLOCKED and true
Classical Pantheist or Cosmotheist!
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THANK YOU CAROLINE!, for your SUPPORTING FREE SPEECH
for EVERYONE and most especially regardless of their
own "politics" or "religion", ie. my is cosmotheism or
classical pantheism but I am actually neither a
far-rightest nor leftist...but I am a independent
thinker.
Best regards,
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
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Ed Poor is typically unable to take his own advice!!!!
LOL! :D
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Rick and Charles,
Trade barbs somewhere else, please. This list is for
discussing ways of
improving Wikipedia.
Ed Poor
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