WikiEN-l January 2003

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Request for sysop status (to save page histories)
by Erik Moeller 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

I am in the process of moving the [[programming language]] pages ("Forth programming language", "LISP programming language" etc.) to standard names ("Forth", "LISP") where there's no need for disambiguation. If I do so by hand, I can only cut & paste the contents, because there's usually a redirect in place. Cut and paste, unlike "move page", does not preserve the page history, however. So the proper course of action is to first delete the redirect pages and then use "move page". I can only do this with sysop status. (I've thought about making this possible for non-sysops by changing the code accordingly, but the security risk is too high.) So, unless someone else volunteers to move the pages, I'd like to request temporary sysop status for this purpose only. Regards, Erik -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen!

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Re: [WikiEN-l] A few choice words from DW
by koyaanisqatsi＠nupedia.com 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

Zoe Wrote: >DW put this on my Talk page. Any comments? - Zoe Well, I guess first that "horrific" has one "f" and not three; and second, that prose seems a natural choice in writing biographies, though I wouldn't mind seeing the life of Albert Einstein arranged into a complex HTML table, perhaps shaped like the [[periodic table]]; and third that profanity and confrontationalism usually don't do much to advance discussion, but do wonders in stopping it cold (which might or might not be DW's intention); and finally, that I would really like to start meeting some of the people I "talk" with on wikipedia, because I'm sure we're all a lot nicer than we occasionally seem, and I don't mind going out for a beer. cheers, kq wikikarma: [[Military of Slovenia]] and subsequent disagreement, resolved in civil discourse with [[user:Zocky]], who served me up a slice of well-deserved humble pie

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Frequent logins
by Poor, Edmund W 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

"Are you logging in more, and enjoying it less?" I have begun to ask myself this of late. I seem to be logging in a dozen times a day this week. Is it just because I use Opera 6.05, or is Wikipedia trying to tell me I'm no longer needed here? ;-) "Uncle" Ed Poor

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Timshell and Tim Shell (2 usernames for 1 person?)
by Poor, Edmund W 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

Tim, You seem to have 2 usernames (both with sysop rights). In the interests of ensuring that the "count of users with sysop rights" is accurate, would you mind if I limited you to one sysop account? I intend to leave Tim Shell alone, and demote Timshell. Ed Poor, Wikipedia Developer

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RE: [WikiEN-l] Re: Beer
by Vicki Rosenzweig 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

At 09:15 AM 1/24/03 -0500, Ed Poor wrote: >Jimbo wrote: > ><< I am fond of the idea of an annual or semi-annual conference, held at >different places around the world (for convenience for different >people) to promote wikipedia _community_. > >[snip] > >Summer/Fall, 2003, East coast of US >Winter/Spring, 2004, West coast of US (Vegas, baby!) >Summer/Fall, 2004, Europe >Winter/Spring, 2004, Asia/Australia >> > >Sign me up for "East coast of US" -- either New York City or Washington, DC. > >I can arrange free meeting space in New York, for the non-alcoholic part >of the conference, one block away from Grand Central Station. This sounds good, especially if you can arrange for coffee/tea/juice/etc. (not necessarily free), and we can always adjourn to a restaurant or bar later. Thanks -- Vicki Rosenzweig vr(a)redbird.org http://www.redbird.org

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Eloquence is now a sysop
by Poor, Edmund W 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

Attention, all and sundry. Come nigh and hear the tidings! "Eloquence is now a sysop." We welcome Erik into the ranks of trusted contributors who carry the awesome powers and duties of sysop-hood. Uncle Ed, Wikipedia Developer

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RE: [WikiEN-l] Request for sysop status (to save page histories)
by Poor, Edmund W 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

Sure. Just remind me of your Wikipedia username, please? Ed Poor Wikipedia Developer -----Original Message----- From: Erik Moeller [mailto:erik_moeller@gmx.de] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:09 AM To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Request for sysop status (to save page histories) ...So, unless someone else volunteers to move the pages, I'd like to request temporary sysop status for this purpose only. Regards, Erik

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Anonymous quote in article
by Erik Moeller 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

Hi, there's a problem with the article [[Madeline Amy Sweeney]], about a victim of the Sep 11 attacks. This started out as an anonymous contribution: "Amy was a wonderful person to wrok with. She inspired me to enjoy my life, work hard and have fun with my job as an American Airlines Flight Attendant, because it was the best of the best." It was expanded, and the quote was removed. Oliver Perreira and Tom Parmenter have insisted on keeping that quote in the article. The latest variant used by Oliver is this: -- The Wikipedia article on Madeline Amy Sweeney was started on November 28, 2001, with the following anonymous sentiment:- "Amy was a wonderful person to wrok with. She inspired me to enjoy my life, work hard and have fun with my job as an American Airlines Flight Attendant, because it was the best of the best." -- A new contributor named Arno also wants to keep the quote in, with the remark "SPECIAL NOTE". Because he is encouraged by Tom and Oliver, he is now ready to start an "edit war". My position is that, however touching this may be, there are several reasons not to have the quote in the article: * We have a precedent here. On [[Wilson Flagg]] we have kept the comment on the Talk page and linked to it, with the link name "Tributes and Comments". * The anonymous quote is unverifiable. I could easily come along and add another, similar quote to the article under an anonymous IP. Should that then, too, be included because of its sentimental value? Or does the first quote get priority because it was "the quote that started this article"? In that case, can I come along and add new articles about Sep 11 victims with fake anonymous quotes that are destined to remain in them forever? * Any self-reference of the type "The Wikipedia article .." is non-encyclopedic to the extreme and should be avoided whenever possible. In conclusion, I think it is obvious that we should keep the anonymous comment on the Talk page, and not in the article. It would set an extremely bad precedent if we allowed these kind of unverifiable comments in articles. I'd like to hear more opinions on, preferably on the Talk page of the article [[Madeline Amy Sweeney]]. Regards, Erik -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen!

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RE: [WikiEN-l] Re: Beer
by Poor, Edmund W 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

Jimbo wrote: << I am fond of the idea of an annual or semi-annual conference, held at different places around the world (for convenience for different people) to promote wikipedia _community_. [snip] Summer/Fall, 2003, East coast of US Winter/Spring, 2004, West coast of US (Vegas, baby!) Summer/Fall, 2004, Europe Winter/Spring, 2004, Asia/Australia >> Sign me up for "East coast of US" -- either New York City or Washington, DC. I can arrange free meeting space in New York, for the non-alcoholic part of the conference, one block away from Grand Central Station. Ed Poor

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RE: [WikiEN-l] A few choice words from DW
by Poor, Edmund W 24 Jan '03

24 Jan '03

Zoe, I'm sorry that DW spoke so condescendingly to you. Nonetheless, they make some good points. I'm going to set up a [[Wikipedia:Biography standards]] page (and a Talk page!) where we can all discuss this. I invite KQ and Mav to join the Talk there, and hope that all contributors will rise to our usual high standards of civility, courtesy and common sense. ^_^ Uncle Ed

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